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DNA and The Book of Mormon Explained full-length video
FAIR MORMON ^ | Published on Feb 18, 2013

Posted on 02/24/2014 7:28:13 PM PST by restornu

Miraculous claims surrounding the coming forth of the Book of Mormon are an evidence of the prophetic calling of Joseph Smith. Critics intent on discrediting the Restoration point to DNA studies on indigenous American peoples in an attempt to expose Joseph, the Book of Mormon, and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as frauds. Claiming that scientific evidence excludes any possibility that Middle Eastern or ancient Jewish travelers came to the Americas in antiquity, such critics attempt to sow seeds of doubt in the minds of Latter-day Saints and those of other faiths concerning the authenticity of the Book of Mormon as an ancient religious text.

Are these studies credible? Do the data actually show what the critics claim? Do they discredit the Book of Mormon, or is there biological and other scientific evidence that supports the claims that it is indeed an ancient record of a people that once inhabited the Americas?

The Foundation for Apologetic Information and Research (FAIR) interviews scholars and scientists to answer these important questions and reveals the faith-affirming truth that not only are the critics' conclusions and methods flawed, but that there is credible scientific evidence in favor of the Book of Mormon as an ancient religious text.


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To: restornu; teppe; Normandy; StormPrepper
Even I know enough you can not compare dog to a turtle and say see there were no dogs than...

There was NO JST when GOD told JS to CREATE it.

He did; and you MORMONs will NOT use it; instead you CLING to the doubtful KJV.

Would you or Teppe or any of the others like to explain WHY?

(You don't have to use your own words; which could be shredded by the FI masters. You can post the OFFICIAL reasoning from One Temple Square.)

101 posted on 02/25/2014 5:24:35 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Its an ongoing argument about the Bible verses 1 John 5:7 and 8 that the Mormons have tried to use to disprove the Trinity..

{Cue Dueling Banjos}


Trinity:

 

found in the Book of MORMON        -----------   rejected in the Doctrines and Covenants 

Book of Mormon:

Now Zeezrom said: Is there more than one God? And he answered, No. (Alma 11:28-29)

...and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil. (Alma 11:44)

...doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen. (2 Nephi 31:21)

...praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end. (Mormon 7:7)

...power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son--And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth. And thus the flesh becoming subject to the Spirit, or the Son to the Father, being one God, (Mosiah 15:3-5)

...of Jared, that whoso should possess this land of promise, from that time henceforth and forever, should serve him, the true and only God, or they should be swept off when the fulness of his wrath should come upon them. (Ether 2:8)


"Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are. I was with the Father from the beginning. I am in the Father, and the Father in me; and in me hath the Father glorified his name." (3 Nephi 9:15)


"And again the Lord called others, and said unto them likewise; and he gave unto them power to baptize. And he said unto them: On this wise shall ye baptize; and there shall be no disputations among you. Verily I say unto you, that whoso repenteth of his sins through your words and desireth to be baptized in my name, on this wise shall ye baptize them--Behold, ye shall go down and stand in the water, and in my name shall ye baptize them. And now behold, these are the words which ye shall say, calling them by name, saying: Having authority given me of Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen. And then shall ye immerse them in the water, and come forth again out of the water. And after this manner shall ye baptize in my name; for behold, verily I say unto you, that the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost are one; and I am in the Father, and the Father in me, and the Father and I are one...And thus will the Father bear record of me, and the Holy Ghost will bear record unto him of the Father and me; for the Father, and I, and the Holy Ghost are one." (3 Nephi 11:22-27, 36)

Doctrine and Covenants:

According to that which was ordained in the midst of the Council of the Eternal God of all other gods before this world was, that should be reserved unto the finishing and the end thereof, when every man shall enter into his eternal presence and into his immortal rest. (Section 121:32)

And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that covenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God. And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them--Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths--then shall it be written in the Lamb's Book of Life, that he shall commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever. Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them. (Section 132:18-20)

Abraham received concubines, and they bore him children; and it was accounted unto him for righteousness, because they were given unto him, and he abode in my law; as Isaac also and Jacob did none other things than that which they were commanded; and because they did none other things than that which they were commanded, they have entered into their exaltation, according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, and are not angels but are gods. (Section 132:37)


 

102 posted on 02/25/2014 5:27:36 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

103 posted on 02/25/2014 5:28:48 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: restornu
Joseph Smith was called by the Lord Jesus Christ as his restoration Prophet for these Latter Days.

He was CALLED all right !!


June 27, 1844


104 posted on 02/25/2014 5:29:12 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu

105 posted on 02/25/2014 5:30:15 AM PST by Gamecock (Grace is not opposed to human activity. It's opposed to human merit. MSH)
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To: lurk

The First Book of Nephi

His Reign and Ministry
 
 
 
An account of Lehi and his wife Sariah, and his four sons, being called, (beginning at the eldest) Laman, Lemuel, Sam, and Nephi. The Lord warns Lehi to depart out of the land of Jerusalem, because he prophesieth unto the people concerning their iniquity and they seek to destroy his life. He taketh three days’ journey into the wilderness with his family. Nephi taketh his brethren and returneth to the land of Jerusalem after the record of the Jews. The account of their sufferings. They take the daughters of Ishmael to wife. They take their families and depart into the wilderness. Their sufferings and afflictions in the wilderness. The course of their travels. They come to the large waters. Nephi’s brethren rebel against him. He confoundeth them, and buildeth a ship. They call the name of the place Bountiful. They cross the large waters into the promised land, and so forth. This is according to the account of Nephi; or in other words, I, Nephi, wrote this record.
 

Chapter 1

Nephi begins the record of his people—Lehi sees in vision a pillar of fire and reads from a book of prophecy—He praises God, foretells the coming of the Messiah, and prophesies the destruction of Jerusalem—He is persecuted by the Jews. About 600 B.C.

 I, Nephi, having been aborn of bgoodly cparents, therefore I was dtaught somewhat in all the learning of my father; and having seen many eafflictions in the course of my days, nevertheless, having been highly favored of the Lord in all my days; yea, having had a great knowledge of the goodness and the mysteries of God, therefore I make a frecord of my proceedings in my days.

 Yea, I make a record in the alanguage of my father, which consists of the learning of the Jews and the language of the Egyptians.

 And I know that the record which I make is atrue; and I make it with mine own hand; and I make it according to my knowledge.

 For it came to pass in the commencement of the afirst year of the reign of bZedekiah, king of Judah, (my father, Lehi, having dwelt at cJerusalem in all his days); and in that same year there came many dprophets, prophesying unto the people that they must erepent, or the great city fJerusalem must be destroyed.

 Wherefore it came to pass that my father, Lehi, as he went forth prayed unto the Lord, yea, even with all his aheart, in behalf of his people.

 And it came to pass as he prayed unto the Lord, there came a apillar of fire and dwelt upon a rock before him; and he saw and heard much; and because of the things which he saw and heard he did bquake and tremble exceedingly.

 And it came to pass that he returned to his own house at Jerusalem; and he cast himself upon his bed, being aovercome with the Spirit and the things which he had seen.

 And being thus overcome with the Spirit, he was carried away in a avision, even that he saw the bheavens open, and he thought he csaw God sitting upon his throne, surrounded with numberless concourses of angels in the attitude of singing and praising their God.

 And it came to pass that he saw One descending out of the midst of heaven, and he beheld that his aluster was above that of the sun at noon-day.

 10 And he also saw atwelve others following him, and their brightness did exceed that of the stars in the firmament.

 11 And they came down and went forth upon the face of the earth; and the first came and astood before my father, and gave unto him a bbook, and bade him that he should read.

 12 And it came to pass that as he read, he was filled with the aSpirit of the Lord.

 13 And he read, saying: Wo, wo, unto Jerusalem, for I have seen thine aabominations! Yea, and many things did my father read concerning bJerusalem—that it should be destroyed, and the inhabitants thereof; many should perish by the sword, and many should be ccarried away captive into Babylon.

 14 And it came to pass that when my father had read and seen many great and marvelous things, he did exclaim many things unto the Lord; such as: Great and marvelous are thy works, O Lord God Almighty! Thy throne is high in the heavens, and thy apower, and goodness, and mercy are over all the inhabitants of the earth; and, because thou art merciful, thou wilt not suffer those who bcome unto thee that they shall perish!

 15 And after this manner was the language of my father in the praising of his God; for his soul did rejoice, and his whole heart was filled, because of the things which he had seen, yea, which the Lord had shown unto him.

 16 And now I, Nephi, do not make a full account of the things which my father hath written, for he hath written many things which he saw in avisions and in bdreams; and he also hath written many things which he cprophesied and spake unto his children, of which I shall not make a full account.

 17 But I shall make an account of my proceedings in my days. Behold, I make an aabridgment of the record of my bfather, upon cplates which I have made with mine own hands; wherefore, after I have abridged the record of my dfather then will I make an account of mine own life.

 18 Therefore, I would that ye should know, that after the Lord had shown so many marvelous things unto my father, Lehi, yea, concerning the adestruction of Jerusalem, behold he went forth among the people, and began to bprophesy and to declare unto them concerning the things which he had both seen and heard.

 19 And it came to pass that the aJews did bmock him because of the things which he testified of them; for he truly testified of their cwickedness and their abominations; and he testified that the things which he saw and heard, and also the things which he read in the book, manifested plainly of the coming of a dMessiah, and also the redemption of the world.

 20 And when the Jews heard these things they were angry with him; yea, even as with the prophets of old, whom they had acast out, and stoned, and slain; and they also bsought his life, that they might take it away. But behold, I, Nephi, will show unto you that the tender cmercies of the Lord are over all those whom he hath chosen, because of their faith, to make them mighty even unto the power of ddeliverance.


106 posted on 02/25/2014 5:35:22 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
I bet you had a knee jerk reaction, did you ever think to pray and asked the Lord for more understanding ...

More UNDERSTANDING??

When confronted with an OBVIOUS lie - RATIONAL people do NOT ask for 'more understanding' to turn it into a 'truth'!!!

107 posted on 02/25/2014 5:36:50 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
Latter-day revelation gives more detail on Lucifer’s fall (D&C 76:25–29).

Latter-day revelation gives more detail on how you; too; can BECOME A GOD!!!

D&C 132:16-25




The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

1–6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7–14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15–20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21–25, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 26–27, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28–39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 40–47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48–50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.

 


 

 16Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in amarriage; but are appointed angels in bheaven, which angels are ministering cservants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.

 17For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are aangels of God forever and ever.

 18And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that acovenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.

 19And again, verily I say unto you, if a man amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and beverlasting covenant, and it is csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of dpromise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit fthrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s gBook of Life, that he shall commit no hmurder whereby to shed innocent iblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the kseeds forever and ever.

 20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.

 21Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my alaw ye cannot attain to this glory.

 22For astrait is the gate, and narrow the bway that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the clives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.

 23But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that awhere I am ye shall be also.

 24This is aeternal lives—to bknow the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath csent. I am he. Receive ye, therefore, my law.

 25aBroad is the gate, and wide the way that leadeth to the bdeaths; and many there are that go in thereat, because they creceive me not, neither do they abide in my law.


108 posted on 02/25/2014 5:38:37 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: c-b 1
I'll leave it at that.

I won't!

I'll post the relevant information they need to LEAVE the hellishness that is Mormonism!

109 posted on 02/25/2014 5:39:41 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
When ever I encounter anti LDS stuff I always took it to the Lord for understanding.

When ever you encounter LDS stuff; it seems you AVOID it like the plague!

Why is that?

You 'SAY" you want more 'understanding'; But I've seen NO evidence that what you say is TRUE!

110 posted on 02/25/2014 5:43:36 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
I bet you had a knee jerk reaction, did you ever think to pray and asked the Lord for more understanding or like so many just jump to conclusion and try not to realized that this must of had something to do with the War I Heaven.

I asked several people I knew about this. Three were Mormon, one being my uncle, my mother's brother.
I asked priests and I asked friends. The folks I asked did NOT understand the Mormon take on the Jesus-Lucifer brother question...even the Mormons.
But, YOU assumed, perhaps, that I didn't ask anyone. You "bet" I had a knee jerk reaction...well, initially I did then ASKED people. Maybe YOU assume things you ought not to have assumed.

Maybe it DID have something to do with the war in heaven. Maybe it didn't. Who knows for sure. That STILL doesn't answer the question WHY the Mormons, who are not considered Christians by most Christians, that PART of the faith's beliefs is that Jesus, God, and Lucifer, a created being, an angel, are brothers. Doesn't make much sense to me. Does it to you?

GOD bless you.

111 posted on 02/25/2014 6:24:34 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: reaganaut

Resty. You’re following an out-of-state poorly researched video by fair. It is totally been overwhelmed by current and more up-to-date findings there is no DNA support for the book of Mormon. There is no DNA support for anything related to the book of them.


112 posted on 02/25/2014 7:42:04 AM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Elsie

THAT didn’t format right!


113 posted on 02/25/2014 7:59:58 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Godzilla

114 posted on 02/25/2014 8:02:38 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu

115 posted on 02/25/2014 8:06:09 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; All

It is like an addiction of a madman who post and repeats endlessly that is locked in a mental institution.

Nothing can rock my Testimony I will never be able deny what I know is true, I may not be a prophet like Joseph Smith, but my witness by the power of the Holy Ghost is forever.

I spent 18 years of my life looking for those passages in the Bible and the Lord answer my prayer.

Unless one fines out for themselves they will never know for sure.

When I was confronted with questionable things from the opposition I looked straight in the eye I did not shrink, I than fell on my knees and prayed to the Lord understanding and the Lord has always shown me the answer.

In the ancient of times the opposition denied the Jesus now they deny there really is a Heavenly Father who spoke this is my beloved Son, Hear Him.

Some post bible verse and do not realized literal meaning of the verse.

John 8 (Jesus is still mortal but he and the Father are One Jesus will be glorified of the Father who is also glorified, but how can Jesus receive an eternal body of Flesh and Bone, and the Father not have the glorified body of Flesh and Bone? Lucifer is the one is only spirit not the Heavenly Father.

They deny the Father as a being instead wrap him up in this 3 in one substance..

Read carefully this passage for Jesus is here on earth he is not a substance he is real and so is his Father real even those the Father is in Heaven. Same conversation today only reverse many believe the Son today, but the Father is to them is a spirit some kind of substance.

27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.

28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

30 As he spake these words, many believed on him.

31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

33 ¶They answered him, We be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

37 I know that ye are Abraham’s seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

47 He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

48 Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?

49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.

50 And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.

51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.

53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?

54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.

56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

John 5

39 ¶Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

41 I receive not honour from men.

42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.

43 I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.

46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

John 6 Jesus came to do the work of His Father in Heaven.

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

1 John 4:14

14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

1 John 2:22

22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

2 John 1:3

3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.


116 posted on 02/25/2014 9:00:33 AM PST by restornu
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To: cloudmountain
I bet you had a knee jerk reaction, did you ever think to pray and asked the Lord for more understanding or like so many just jump to conclusion and try not to realized that this must of had something to do with the War I Heaven. I asked several people I knew about this. Three were Mormon, one being my uncle, my mother's brother.

I asked priests and I asked friends. The folks I asked did NOT understand the Mormon take on the Jesus-Lucifer brother question...even the Mormons.

But, YOU assumed, perhaps, that I didn't ask anyone. You "bet" I had a knee jerk reaction...well, initially I did then ASKED people. Maybe YOU assume things you ought not to have assumed.

Maybe it DID have something to do with the war in heaven. Maybe it didn't. Who knows for sure. That STILL doesn't answer the question WHY the Mormons, who are not considered Christians by most Christians, that PART of the faith's beliefs is that Jesus, God, and Lucifer, a created being, an angel, are brothers. Doesn't make much sense to me. Does it to you?

GOD bless you.

***

I assume because of so much I have witness here over the years and refuse to even try to see the bigger picture.

I was the only one in my family who converted I was living in NYC on my own and I was seeking answers to some passages in the Bible, and no one could answer, earlier when was younger I was Presbyterian (13) years later left home I was living in a home of a Presbyterian Minister and family, than after that I took my questions to the Lord, and I was on an 18 year quest for truth, some of my story is on this thread.

I was serious, I just knew there was an answer, until one day a friend gave me a copy of the Book of Mormon, which never seem to fit into my library, so it keep getting in the way there is more too this, but that was the start of journey since 1982. So many I have read here was leaving the Church, at the time but I was getting answers to my questions, because from pass experience I learn to take it to the Lord.

Now that I think of it Joseph Smith said I teach them correct principles and they govern themselves.

That is how I feel about the Church you know right from wrong now exercise what you know. I feel it is something the Lord taught me and I concur with Bro Joseph.

Now I was not aware of the LDS stuff, but I knew instinctively what to do I always knew my master voice which witness to be when I would read the Bible.

I was not getting answers from those around me, and I really never knew a Mormon in my 38 years. I am sure glad that my friend gave me a copy of the Book of Mormon he was a recent convert, so he say just read it, I did a year later when I was going to throw it out!:)

Before I did that I read the verse marked in Moroni 10:3-5 The power of the witness of the Spirit of the Holy Ghost was such Joy I had to know more.

My life today is so much different than it would have been and Temple has given me such comfort and courage to walk this walk, where I was headed had I not found the rest of the word of the Lord and counsel, I shutter.

I thank the Lord everyday and the reading of the scriptures are rich full experience and it keeps unfolding marvelous wonders of the Lord. I read you reply, I don't know if you took it to the Lord as counsel in D&C 6.

D&C 6
2 Yea, behold, I will tell you in your mind and in your heart, by the Holy Ghost, which shall come upon you and which shall dwell in your heart.

3 Now, behold, this is the spirit of revelation; behold, this is the spirit by which Moses brought the children of Israel through the Red Sea on dry ground.

4 Therefore this is thy gift; apply unto it, and blessed art thou, for it shall deliver; you out of the hands of your enemies, when, if it were not so, they would slay you and bring your soul to destruction.

5 Oh, remember these words, and keep my commandments. Remember, this is your gift.

6 Now this is not all thy gift; for you have another gift, which is the gift of Aaron; behold, it has told you many things;

7 Behold, there is no other power, save the power of God, that can cause this gift of Aaron to be with you.

8 Therefore, doubt not, for it is the gift of God; and you shall hold it in your hands, and do marvelous works; and no power shall be able to take it away out of your hands, for it is the work of God.

9 And, therefore, whatsoever you shall ask me to tell you by that means, that will I grant unto you, and you shall have knowledge concerning it.

10 Remember that without faith you can do nothing; therefore ask in faith. Trifle not with these things; do not ask for that which you ought not.

11 Ask that you may know the mysteries of God, and that you may translate and receive knowledge from all those ancient records which have been hid up, that are sacred; and according to your faith shall it be done unto you.

12 Behold, it is I that have spoken it; and I am the same that spake unto you from the beginning. Amen.

The Lord said In my Father’s house are many mansions: We are all different and the only the Lord knows our desire.

The good Lord bless in your journey, amen

John 14
1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were‍ not so,‍ I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there‍ ye may be also.

4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

117 posted on 02/25/2014 11:10:46 AM PST by restornu
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To: restornu
Nothing can rock my Testimony I will never be able deny what I know is true, I may not be a prophet like Joseph Smith, but my witness by the power of the Holy Ghost is forever.

I have NO doubt you experienced SOMETHING; but you, on the other hand, have no PROOF it was the Holy Ghost.

Christians KNOW what the bible says about a STRONG delusion as well as the FACT that Satan can create COUNTERFEIT miracles.

You are relying on MORMON teaching that Satan cannot fake what supposedly comes from GOD.

The bible you just quoted disagrees with that teaching.

118 posted on 02/25/2014 11:44:16 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
I assume because of so much I have witness here over the years and refuse to even try to see the bigger picture.

There IS no 'bigger picture'.

Mormonism is like a five yearold who finger paints over a Rembrant.

119 posted on 02/25/2014 11:45:52 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
You post a LOT of scripture; but you can NOT deny the FACT that there is NO foundation that supports anything found in unique Mormon 'scripture'.

No Jews...

No Cities...

No Buildings...

No Weapons...

No Cureloms...

No Zion...

No Nothing.

120 posted on 02/25/2014 11:48:14 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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