Posted on 04/24/2014 1:48:53 PM PDT by NYer
FYI, my response is Post #99.
I love scripture and enjoy citing it, in context, rather than as an isolated statement. Your quotation comes from the 1st Book of John, chapter 2. You realize, no doubt, that in quoting from this, you are following tradition because someone had to decide which books belong in the Canon of the New Testament. Early Christian tradition identified this work as a letter of John the apostle. Because of its resemblance to the fourth gospel in style, vocabulary, and ideas, it is generally agreed that both works are the product of the same school of Johannine Christianity.
So what was the purpose of the original text? The letter is intended to combat certain false ideas, especially about Jesus, and to deepen the spiritual and social awareness of the Christian community (1 Jn 3:17). Some former members (1 Jn 2:19) of the community refused to acknowledge Jesus as the Christ (1 Jn 2:22) and denied that he was a true man (1 Jn 4:2). Essentially, the letter was intended to address a heresy.
As such, your citation does not fit the current discussion.
As far as I'm concerned, that's what we're talking about here. The idea that the Holy Spirit can't directly teach you the truth is not Biblical. Jesus said that by continuing in the his word, you will know the truth and 1 John says the anointing of the Holy Spirit will teach you, not man.
Another man-made rule that keep God's people in bondage.
“The Pope would never do that, is impossible. If he is coming from a previous sacrament and they are living together is absolutely impossible,” Fr. Ceschi told the radio station.**
BTTT! The truth comes out and all the Catholics who believed the lies have egg on their face.
Just wow. From Catholics who take all kinds of verse out of context to support their church's doctrines......
As such, your citation does not fit the current discussion.
IOW, it contradicts Catholic teaching so must be dismissed as being irrelevant.
You belive in Scripture, correct?
Then why don't you believe this?
John 21: (We'll be using the KJV today to keep things on even footing): "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen."
The Bible Itself declares that it doesn't contain everything.
Are you mind reading John or the Holy Spirit now?
How do you know it was written to combat whatever the Catholic church calls heresy?
As a matter of fact, John tells us why he wrote what he did and it was this.....
John 20:30-31 Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
*If*? That's really set in concrete.
How does this priest know what the pope would ever do or not do?
There's a big difference between *he would never do THAT* and *he DID NOT do that*.
It sounds too much like the mother of a gangsta thug who raped and murdered someone and the family goes on about what a sweet boy he is and how he wouldn't hurt a fly.
The priest there is just stating his opinion. It's not necessarily truth and was not stated as such.
What’s that got to do with taking verses out of context?
And how does that give someone blanket permission to make stuff up and call it truth?
All it needs to contain is enough to lead someone to Christ for salvation and to thoroughly equip them for the work of Christ.
And it does that.
For salvation. The book of John is enough.
John 20:30-31 Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
Scripture is able to make one wise for salvation and thoroughly equip the man of God.
2 Timothy 3:14-17 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
the truth shall make you free (John 8:31-32).
the rest of the story...
And now once more Jesus spoke to them, I am the light of the world, he said. He who follows me can never walk in darkness; he will possess the light which is life. 13 Whereupon the Pharisees told him, Thou art testifying on thy own behalf, thy testimony is worth nothing. 14 Jesus answered them, My testimony is trustworthy, even when I testify on my own behalf; I know whence I have come, and where I am going; you do not know whence I have come, you do not know where I am going. 15 You set yourselves up to judge, after your earthly fashion; I do not set myself up to judge anybody. 16 And what if I should judge? My judgement is judgement indeed; it is not I alone, my Father who sent me is with me.
So if Jesus does not judge them (at this time) why should you judge the Catholic rules?
The rules are the guidelines that help Catholics follow our Lord for over 2000 years. Jesus followed HIS FATHER obediently and we need to do the same.
The Catholic Church is full of saints and sinners and we see the sinners, especially the clergy. While I don’t have any statistics, I believe (hope) that as a percentage more Catholics have reached Heaven than any other group. This is the Sunday of DIVINE MERCY, and I hope GOD has a high percentage of people that LOVED HIM despite their sins.
PEACE BE WITH YOU.
Judging what people do including their rules, is not judging and condemning the people themselves.
The rules are the guidelines that help Catholics follow our Lord for over 2000 years. Jesus followed HIS FATHER obediently and we need to do the same.
That's what Scripture is for.
Jesus condemned all the added rules and regulations that the Pharisees added to Scripture. It interfered with men's relationship with God.
If Catholic rules are different from Scripture, they are wrong.
If they are supported by Scripture, they are redundant and not needed.
So your Church created by man or yourself is telling the Catholic Church created by Jesus what is right and wrong!
Perhaps you should reread: “Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. And I say to thee: That thou art Peter [Kipha, a rock], and upon this rock [Kipha] I will build my church [ekklesian], and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven.
You are amazing! Perhaps you should examine what the Lord said to the Pharisees.
Prove that the Catholic rules are wrong! Just your opinion.
Show some logic and reason.
Why should you worry about the rules that Catholics try to follow? You have free will to either follow them or not, No one is forcing you, but you are trying to tell others that they are wrong. In my opinion, that may be a sin if you are not truthful or right.
PEACE BE WITH YOU.
Judging what people do including their rules, is not judging and condemning the people themselves
...I THINK YOU HAVE A GUILTY CONSCIENCE!
You may want to reread your comment.
So you want to judge the rules that Catholics follow in their Church created by Jesus that has grown for over 2000 years. Yes, we have our problems and we are sinners. Actually the Catholic Church wants sinners to come to our Church.
Yes, we are trying to follow Jesus so that we can join him in Heaven. We should all work towards that and help others.
We are not perfect, but I don’t feel that we are hindering others from seeking GOD by judging the tenets of a Church that they do not belong.
PEACE BE WITH YOU.
First wrong assumption is that the church that Jesus said he would build is the Catholic church.
And yet there is no reference to Catholicism in Scripture.
Jesus never said He would build the Catholic church. He just said *church*, not specifying the denomination.
Rome’s claim to be the OTC, is its own opinion and at odds with the EO who claim THEY were the original church and the Roman church is the schismatics.
So who’s right?
I have. He said this....
Matthew 23:1-11 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice. They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. They do all their deeds to be seen by others. For they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long, and they love the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues and greetings in the marketplaces and being called rabbi by others. But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ. The greatest among you shall be your servant.
Ephesians 2:4-9 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
What I don't like are their man-made rules that put an artificial barrier between God and his beloved people who Jesus, His only begotten Son who He loves, died for.
If you can't tell the difference between judging people and judging people's actions, that's your problem, not mine.
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