Posted on 04/27/2014 3:47:28 PM PDT by Faith Presses On
With it so much in the news right now that the Catholic Church is making two former Popes "saints." shouldn't Bible-believing Christians, and those in leadership in particular, be pointing out the Bible truth on who is a saint is? The media won't do this themselves, and the Catholic use of "saint" has caused a lot of ignorance on this most important matter.
I’m not Catholic and its not my place to try to impose my beliefs on them.
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Unless you are Catholic, it should be none of your business.
Ignore it if it bothers you.
If Catholics wanted the truth, they would look it up and believe the scriptures. Their belief in saints is irrelevant if they don’t have saving faith in Christ alone for salvation.
I agree with several posters below - not my business.
Clarification needed?
The RC church claims that all persons who have lived their lives in a state of genuine belief in Jesus Christ as their savior - and - have strived toward holiness in their lives, following biblical, Christian guidelines, are saints. We assume such people have met the requirements of Jesus Christ and have been judged worthy of entrance into paradise. More simply put, they are people who have been met the requirements and whose “robes have been washed with the blood of the Lamb.”
Canonization is a separate issue. It recognizes the public lives of persons with heroic virtue. Such persons are worthy of imitation in their holiness. The actual process, however, does require several steps before their names are accepted as “official saints.”
It’s never our place, as Christians, to impose beliefs.
Amen! In the New Testament, a saint was a plain, old, ordinary Christian, who was a saint because he was sanctified, that is, set apart for the service of God.
When Paul wrote the church at Philippi (Phil. 1.1), he wrote to the saints there, with the bishops and the deacons, an organization so simple that it could be described in one verse of scripture. In all likelihood, he wasn’t addressing Roman Catholic saints who had been dead for a long time, had performed several miracles, and voted on by the College of Cardinals...
Ya think?
Catholics do a lot of silly things. I choose not to worry about them. It’s between them and The Lord. It’ll all get worked out eventually.
Credo in Deum Patrem omnipotentem;
Creatorem caeli et terrae.
Et in Jesum Christum,
Filium eius unicum, Dominum nostrum;
qui conceptus est
de Spiritu Sancto,
natus ex Maria virgine;
passus sub Pontio Pilato,
crucifixus, mortuus, et sepultus;
descendit ad inferos;
tertia die resurrexit a mortuis;
ascendit ad caelos;
sedet ad dexteram Dei Patris omnipotentis;
inde venturus est
iudicare vivos et mortuos.
Credo in Spiritum Sanctum;
sanctam ecclesiam catholicam;
sanctorum communionem;
remissionem peccatorum;
carnis resurrectionem;
vitam aeternam. Amen.
In English:
I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.
I believe in Jesus Christ,
his only Son, our Lord.
He was conceived
by the power of the Holy Spirit,
and born of the Virgin Mary,
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
He descended into hell.
On the third day he rose again;
he ascended into heaven,
he is seated at the right hand of the Father,
he will come again
to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen
The Catholic Church doesn't "make" anyone a saint, she only recognizes what God has done, testifies to it, and celebrates it.
The term "saint" comes from a French word, which comes from the Latin word meaning "holy". A "saint" is therefore a "holy person" or "holy one" ... in languages other than English, there is typically no linguistic difference between those two terms.
The word is used in Scripture both in reference to what Christians are called to be here and now, and in reference to departed believers (cf Matthew 27:52) and all believers.
There is a wonderful hymn from my Episcopal chip hood called
I Sing a Song of the Saints of God
That is the proper and true answer as to who is a saint.
http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/church/chur3.htm
Lesson 3
GOD’S CALLED-OUT ASSEMBLY
THE CHURCH
Church Members Were Called “Saints.”
[To see an organizational outline of these lessons, click here]
http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/church/outline.htm
According to 1 Corinthians 14:33 and 2 Corinthians 13:13 the members of the Church are called _____________. The word “saint” means “a person who has been set apart by God, set apart for God’s service.” Not only are the members of the Church a called-out people (1 Pet. 2:9), but they are also a set apart people (1 Cor. 1:2).
Suppose you were sitting in an auditorium with thousands of other people, waiting to hear a speech by the President. Suddenly the President walks all the way up to the place where you are sitting, takes you by the hand, leads you to the platform, and sits you down right next to him! By doing that he has set you apart from all the other people. He has put you in a very special place and he has made you different than all the other people who were there.
When God saves a person He sets him apart and He makes him (or her) sit in a very special place. Where is the believer made to sit (Eph. 2:6)? ____________________________________________ He has been put in a very special place—in Christ Jesus—and thus God has made the believer DIFFERENT than all the unsaved people.
“GOD HAS
SET ME APART
FOR HIMSELF.” “GOD HAS PUT
ME IN CHRIST
AND MADE ME DIFFERENT”
If I’m really a saint, should there be a difference in the way I live? Should there be a difference in the kind of language I use? Should there be a difference in the way I act in school? Should there be a difference in the way I dress? Should there be a difference in the way I talk to and treat my parents? Should there be a difference in the kind of friends I have (Psalm 119:63)?
?
If there is no difference between me and the unsaved then there is a big question as to whether or not I’m really a saint, whether or not I am really a member of Christ’s church (Compare Leviticus 20:24-26; Deuteronomy 7:6 and Ezekiel 22:26; 44:23).
If you are a saint then live like a saint! Dare to be different! (compare Daniel 1:8).
What are ways that a saved person can show that Christ has made a difference in his or her life? What about the language we use? How do we use our free time? What is our attitude towards those in authority over us (our parents, our teachers, etc.)? What is our attitude towards our friends, our classmates, those who mistreat us? What kinds of television programs do we watch or refuse to watch? What kinds of music do we listen to? Do we bow our head and pray before eating? Do we spend time reading God’s Word? Is prayer important to us or is it just a ritual that we do at meals and before we go to bed?
Has your life changed and become different because of the Lord Jesus Christ? See 2 Corinthians 5:17.
Is it possible for a saint (a saved person) to live like an unsaved person (1 Corinthians 3:1-4)? Why is this so? What should be done about it?
http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/church/church.htm
It is the business of every called out person who has received the Holy Spirit at Salvation, IE every SAINT
That is what a Saint is
When someone hijacks the word, it becomes our business
Oh, for God’s sake. Can you let them enjoy their day?
It’s not your job to educate anyone.
I am so tired of the bible thumpers around here trying to force their view of the world on those who might not agree with them.
Can we take on the first amendment here: and let the freedom to practice your religion without four hundred posts debating the “true” meaning of the bible.
It is making this site unreadable.
the RCC teaches something different than the Bible on this:
2156 The sacrament of Baptism is conferred “in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”85 In Baptism, the Lord’s name sanctifies man, and the Christian receives his name in the Church. This can be the name of a saint, that is, of a disciple who has lived a life of exemplary fidelity to the Lord. The patron saint provides a model of charity; we are assured of his intercession. The “baptismal name” can also express a Christian mystery or Christian virtue. “Parents, sponsors, and the pastor are to see that a name is not given which is foreign to Christian sentiment.”86 (232, 1267)
Men are not sanctified by reciting Jesus name over them, especially infants who have no idea what is being done nor any meaning of it
Saints are NOT people who live meaningful lives, either, a person can be a wicked sinner such as the man in first Corinthians who had sex with his own mother yet Paul never once said his salvation was not real. A person becomes a saint at Salvation, not baptism or through faithful living.
As for the assurance of a ‘patron saint’ intercession, there is zero mention in the Bible of anyone’s promised prayers and intercession except Jesus Christ and the work of the Holy Spirit. We are called to pray for others, but there is zero guarantee of it.
And yet you clicked on a post in the "Religion forum."
You know you can adjust your settings so these threads won't populate on your forum page right?
So, I agree with you that people should be able to exercise their 1st Amendment rights. They can post 1000 times on a thread in the Religion Forum if they want. They can use the forum to educate and discuss (not attack) if they wish. It's what the forum is for.
If the site is so unreadable, adjust it so it is - then you won't have to worry about it.
Matt 12:43 - 45.
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