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Paul Never Quoted Jesus?
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Posted on 06/07/2014 11:13:33 AM PDT by Salvation

Paul Never Quoted Jesus?

by Jimmy Akin

A common claim in some skeptical circles is that St. Paul never quoted Jesus.

A second common claim is that, if he had reliable knowledge of Jesus, he would have quoted him.

The conclusion that is drawn from these premises is that St. Paul was not a reliable source on Jesus.

Since St. Paul’s letters are among the earliest works of the New Testament, some proceed from there to argue either that historical knowledge of Jesus is impossible or even that he didn’t exist.

Such arguments are highly problematic.

 

The Second Premise

First, let’s consider the premise that Paul should have quoted Jesus if he had reliable knowledge of him.

Is that true?

It would be true if, in his letters, Paul was offering detailed catechesis on the life and ministry of Jesus (the way the Gospels do).

However, if Paul is not intending to offer detailed catechesis about the life and ministry of Jesus, he would have much less occasion to quote him.

The fact is that St. Paul’s epistles do not attempt to offer detailed catechesis. He is writing largely in a pastoral vein, dealing, for example, with various problems that have arisen in the churches he has founded or is planning to visit.

As a result, he would have much less occasion to quote Jesus. The only time it would be relevant for him to do so is if Jesus said something directly relevant to the problem he is dealing with.

Even then, he need not do so. Just because Jesus said something relevant does not mean that it must be quoted.

Christians today write on all kinds of subjects without being forced to quote everything Jesus said that might be relevant to the issue at hand.

 

The First Premise

Then there’s the first premise–that Paul never quoted Jesus.

Um, dude? 1 Corinthians 11?

[23] For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread

[24] and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” 

[25] In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 

Is that the only time? Nope. Off the top of my head, there’s also 1 Timothy 6:

[18] for the scripture says, “You shall not muzzle an ox when it is treading out the grain,” and, “The laborer deserves his wages.” 

That’s a quotation of a saying of Jesus that is also preserved in Luke 10:7.

It should be pointed out that, in the latter case, many skeptics will challenge Paul’s authorship of 1 Timothy, but the arguments that he had no hand in the letter are weak, and in any event 1 Corinthians is of undisputed Pauline authorship.

Then there are cases in which Paul does not directly quote Jesus but does directly allude to his thought.

One of these is in 1 Corinthians 7:

[10] To the married I give charge, not I but the Lord, that the wife should not separate from her husband

[11] (but if she does, let her remain single or else be reconciled to her husband) — and that the husband should not divorce his wife.

This reflects Jesus’ teaching on divorce and remarriage as found, e.g., in Mark 10:11-12 and Luke 16:18.

Note that Paul elsewhere acknowledges when he isn’t able to document something from Jesus’ teachings. Later in the same chapter, he writes:

[25] Now concerning the unmarried, I have no command of the Lord, but I give my opinion as one who by the Lord’s mercy is trustworthy.

And there are places where he alludes to Jesus’ teaching without making the allusion explicit (he’s trusting the reader already to know the source). An example is found in 1 Corinthians 13, where he says:

[2] And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.

The concept of faith moving mountains is an apparent reference to a teaching of Jesus that is preserved in the Gospels (Matt. 17:20, Mark 11:23).

One could go on, but what we’ve already seen is enough to reveal how flawed are the claims that Paul never quoted or was unfamiliar with the teachings of the historical Jesus.



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1 posted on 06/07/2014 11:13:33 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...

Catholic Ping!


2 posted on 06/07/2014 11:14:14 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

I was fairly certain the first premise was flawed, so skipped to that part. Found I was right, so the second premise becomes nugatory.


3 posted on 06/07/2014 11:19:29 AM PDT by HiJinx (Bunkerville - where the government made the Government. back down.)
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To: HiJinx

But did you read the last line?


4 posted on 06/07/2014 11:20:53 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

This “Heresy of Paul” doctrine/movement is a VERY DANGEROUS one that has destroyed more than several congregations AND close friendships I have been involved.

Paul’s writings not only magnify and clarify the Gospel Christ preached and the magnificence of His Covenant reality over the physical one that could not save men’s souls.

NOTHING Paul writes contradicts the scriptures or the Gospel writings.

Just about everyone I knew who pushed this ‘Heresy of Paul’ doctrine has renounced Christ, and either went into orthodox Judaism or (in most cases) ended up using the same methodology to discount to renounce the bible itself. 3/4 of those I knew whom embraced this doctrine became Atheists.

Be VERY careful around those who preach this.


5 posted on 06/07/2014 11:25:40 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR
Lady I know left the Catholic Church and became an Episcopalian (I met her going the other direction).

She subscribes to this heresy - that Paul was a mean old man and misogynistic and not even Christian, and that his books don't belong in the Bible.

I recommended that she read Monsignor Pope's essay The Apostles Speak for Jesus.

Bet she won't, but I couldn't press her on it 'cause we were at a funeral.

6 posted on 06/07/2014 11:29:49 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: INVAR

Where does the article claim a heresy of Paul. Did you read the entire article? I’m wondering if you did, otherwise, I don’t think you would have posted as you did.

There is no heresy of Paul here. Please read it again.


7 posted on 06/07/2014 11:34:39 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Thanks for that link. Good article by Monsignor Pope.


8 posted on 06/07/2014 11:36:20 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: HiJinx

I don’t think Paul ever met Jesus. They may have crossed paths, and certainly Paul went after Jesus’ followers, but after Paul’s vision, and being blinded, Paul devoted his life to Jesus. I’m not sure what the agenda is here.


9 posted on 06/07/2014 11:37:10 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: Salvation

How about: Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?


10 posted on 06/07/2014 11:38:55 AM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: nikos1121

Did you read the whole article?

There is NO agenda here.


11 posted on 06/07/2014 11:39:34 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: yarddog

As he was knocked down and had scales grow over his eyes, which were later removed when he was blessed by Ananias.


12 posted on 06/07/2014 11:40:39 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Never say never, but I believe it’s accurate to say he quoted the Old Testament much more often than he quoted Jesus.


13 posted on 06/07/2014 11:41:06 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Salvation
A common claim in some skeptical circles is that St. Paul never quoted Jesus.

A second common claim is that, if he had reliable knowledge of Jesus, he would have quoted him.

The conclusion that is drawn from these premises is that St. Paul was not a reliable source on Jesus.

The conclusion doesn't follow from the premises anyway.

14 posted on 06/07/2014 11:41:19 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Moonman62

Being a Pharisee that is possible. But the facts remain, he DID quote Jesus.


15 posted on 06/07/2014 11:42:02 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ConservingFreedom
One could go on, but what we’ve already seen is enough to reveal how flawed are the claims that Paul never quoted or was unfamiliar with the teachings of the historical Jesus.
16 posted on 06/07/2014 11:43:20 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Never heard that Paul ever quoted Jesus, not in the Bible. He got his inspiration from God.


17 posted on 06/07/2014 11:46:29 AM PDT by Vinylly (?%)
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To: Moonman62

Here is a great example of how he used that Pharisee knowledge.

Reading 1 Acts 22:30; 23:6-11

Wishing to determine the truth
about why Paul was being accused by the Jews,
the commander freed him
and ordered the chief priests and the whole Sanhedrin to convene.
Then he brought Paul down and made him stand before them.

Paul was aware that some were Sadducees and some Pharisees,
so he called out before the Sanhedrin,
“My brothers, I am a Pharisee, the son of Pharisees;
I am on trial for hope in the resurrection of the dead.”
When he said this,
a dispute broke out between the Pharisees and Sadducees,
and the group became divided.
For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection
or angels or spirits,
while the Pharisees acknowledge all three.
A great uproar occurred,
and some scribes belonging to the Pharisee party
stood up and sharply argued,
“We find nothing wrong with this man.
Suppose a spirit or an angel has spoken to him?”
The dispute was so serious that the commander,
afraid that Paul would be torn to pieces by them,
ordered his troops to go down and rescue Paul from their midst
and take him into the compound.
The following night the Lord stood by him and said, “Take courage.
For just as you have borne witness to my cause in Jerusalem,
so you must also bear witness in Rome.”


18 posted on 06/07/2014 11:46:51 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Of course!


19 posted on 06/07/2014 11:48:13 AM PDT by HiJinx (Bunkerville - where the government made the Government. back down.)
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To: Vinylly

Please go back and read “The First Premise” explanation.


20 posted on 06/07/2014 11:48:20 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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