Posted on 09/07/2014 5:21:18 PM PDT by narses
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You are “born again”
when you believe that Jesus is the Son of God. Pretty simple really. Catholics are as saved as you are if they believe (meaning “accept as true”) that Jesus is the Son of God. What is it about John 3:16 that is difficult to understand? Let’s quit making it more than that. If you think it is more than that , is John 3:16 a lie? Is it an ERROR?
I am. And I know when and where it happened.
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[very short answer to very long story]
“If you think it is more than that , is John 3:16 a lie? Is it an ERROR?”
Neither. It is merely a verse misunderstood by Protestants. That’s why so many Protestants struggle with the obvious meaning of 1 Peter 3:21.
Yes, you are right.
The obvious meaning of 1 Peter 3:21 is that water baptism is analogous in “saving us” to how the waters of the Flood “saved” Noah. The Flood did not give Noah life, but it DID separate him from the evil world in which he lived. As Peter said in Acts 2: “And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.”
Water baptism has an important place in salvation, but it isn’t in giving life. Why folks struggle with 1 Peter 3:21 is hard to understand, since Peter was pretty specific.
Catholics are as saved as you are if they believe (meaning “accept as true”) that Jesus is the Son of God.
Simple assent to fact?
**Are Catholics Born Again? (Ecumenical)**
Yes, and many non-Catholics cannot accept this fact.
I’m certainly glad to see you and your co-religionists coming around on the whole born again thing. Go back a few years on this forum and you’ll find Catholics mocking and attacking the very notion.
Welcome Home!
The truth that regeneration comes through baptism is confirmed elsewhere in the Bible.
so those who are dying who then confess Jesus as their Lord, repent of ther sins are not saved since they’ve never been baptised???
“Water baptism has an important place in salvation, but it isn’t in giving life.”
“baptism now saves you”. That’s not simply an analogy. Something that saves you has given you life. Grace is in baptism.
“Why folks struggle with 1 Peter 3:21 is hard to understand, since Peter was pretty specific.”
Yes, he was, “baptism now SAVES you”. Can’t be much clearer than that.
It seems to me that this “rebirth” experience, as it is practiced or occurs amongst “Evangelicals,” whatever that means, requires an act of human volition; an emotional (intellectual?) response.
Clarification??
“Evangelical Protestants typically mean something quite different when they talk about being “born again.”
That is from the article which I think is pretty much nasty and anti-Protestant
Protestants do not misunderstand 1 Peter.....But it is interesting that you would accuse them of misunderstanding the clear words of John 3 as well
And matthew 16:18
CC
Baptism - for the welcoming of every Christian.
Confession - for the redirection of one's soul back to God.
Eucharist - for the spiritual feeding of the flock.
Confirmation - for the reawakening of the purpose of one's soul.
Marriage - for the growth and maintenance of families.
Holy Orders - for the special need of the shepherds.
Extreme Unction - for the preparation of the soul to meet Jesus face to face.
Confirmation is really the Church's way of systemizing the action of being born-again in grace.
As a Catholic, I was Baptized about 2 weeks into this life. I did not really have a choice, as my biggest physical function was to push out a steamer.
I was born again when I learned what my faith was, and confirmed that with my Confirmation.
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