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Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?
self | 12-14-14 | ealgeone

Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone

The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: bible; blessedvirginmary; catholic; mary; mystery; mysterybabylon; prayer; rcinventions; vanities; vanity; worship
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To: Grateful2God
Simply for being Jesus' mother, Mary deserves respect:

True. While pondering and attempting to get my head around a workable understanding of the infinite wonder of the Holy Trinity, I started thinking about what was taking place inside Mary by/from the immaculate conception to His birth.

I'm coming to terms with how Jesus actually means what He says about His Love and Forgiveness, "even for a wretch like me", and what it means to be born again, sorta like getting your inner program rebooted with the OEM software, clean and free of all worldly malware.

With that in mind, I started to think about just how complete, and how many level shifts beyond a garden variety human soul's rebirth, her transformation might be for carrying Him and becoming Jesus' mother and all that truly means, both during pregnancy and after His birth.

No woman I know is the same as she was before becoming a mom...And what about Mary?

I'm having some trouble getting a handle on it. It's beyond my rational mind, no doubt about it.

No wonder Satan fears the one who will crush his skull beneath her heel...or so I've read.

2,821 posted on 12/22/2014 2:02:01 PM PST by GBA (Here in the matrix, life is but a dream...with consequence.)
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To: GBA
No wonder Satan fears the one who will crush his skull beneath her heel...or so I've read.

Now, whaaa...?

What new teaching is THIS?
2,822 posted on 12/22/2014 2:19:35 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Elsie
She sure didn't get much ink in the NT; did she!

What she did receive was recorded with the greatest of kindness and love by the Holy Spirit, Who is not a respector of human being person kinds of people.
2,823 posted on 12/22/2014 2:30:53 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: GBA
While pondering and attempting to get my head around a workable understanding of the infinite wonder of the Holy Trinity, I started thinking about what was taking place inside Mary by/from the immaculate conception to His birth.

Try 'understanding' why Rome insists that she and Joseph NEVER consummated their marriage.

She a VERY poor example of a good Jewish wife!

2,824 posted on 12/22/2014 2:31:40 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Resettozero
No wonder Satan fears the one who will crush his skull beneath her heel...or so I've read.

Obviously just one more example of today's poorly catechized Catholic.


Genesis 3:19

I will make your descendants and her descendant hostile toward each other. He will crush your head, and you will bruise his heel."

2,825 posted on 12/22/2014 2:34:26 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Yes, that’s what the Word of God says.

For a moment, I thought the RCC might me teaching that Mary would crush the devil’s skull with one stomp of her 5-inch high-heels, ala Sarah Palin.


2,826 posted on 12/22/2014 2:49:44 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

(ALWAYS blow my punchline.)


2,827 posted on 12/22/2014 2:50:52 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

I really think the most significant words Mary speaks during Jesus’ ministry should be in caps. They’re awesome.

“Do whatever He says.”

At the wedding in Cana. So many interpret that to be Jesus being rude to His mother: “What do I have to do with you, woman!”

In Greek it’s actually very brief. Literally, ‘what to me and to you?”

I’ve never been quite sure where the translators come up with the rude response they put in Jesus’ mouth. His mother’s just told Him that they’re low on wine.

I actually see Jesus saying “What (is that) to me and you?” (In other words, “that’s nothing to us; we can handle it easily.”)

And her response fits those words better, too. Instead of acting like she just been disrespected, she instead says, “Do whatever He says!”

She already knew what He could do. She already knew He was a miracle worker. And He saw her as a team member. And she stuck by Him all the way to the cross when the disciples deserted.

We protestants make too little of Mary. The Catholics overdo it a bit, in my opinion, but it’s also wrong track to underrate her contribution.


2,828 posted on 12/22/2014 2:50:58 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins
The Catholics overdo it a bit, in my opinion, but it’s also wrong track to underrate her contribution.

A bit?

Mary's contribution as the birth mother on Earth of the Son of God as man? NO Christian under-rates Mary's part for which she is immortalized in Holy Scripture and is greatly honored as the mother of Jesus Christ, HER Savior and ours.

And one again, I'm not a Prot chrch membr, although I grew up attending a Prot Indpndnt Bap chrch.
2,829 posted on 12/22/2014 3:00:10 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

Buy a vowel for 5 cents each.


2,830 posted on 12/22/2014 3:05:35 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

+2,800 posts in and still Mary is treated as a demigod.

I don’t think this will be resolved here...


2,831 posted on 12/22/2014 3:20:19 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: Resettozero

Yes, a bit.

The engaged in religious speculation in some areas, and then retained it as practice.


2,832 posted on 12/22/2014 3:37:44 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Resettozero

Yes, a bit.

They engaged...


2,833 posted on 12/22/2014 3:38:08 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins
The engaged in religious speculation in some areas, and then retained it as practice.

Isn't that pretty much symptomatic of all cults?
2,834 posted on 12/22/2014 3:48:38 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

Not necessarily. By and large, cults are known by rejection of 3/1 Trinitarian doctrine, and/or the deification of leaders.


2,835 posted on 12/22/2014 3:51:38 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins
By and large, cults are known by rejection of 3/1 Trinitarian doctrine, and/or the deification of leaders.

And by mangling the apparent meanings of the written Word of God. Also by addition and subtraction from the Word. Also by redefining what words mean. Also by each individual cult proclaiming itself the OTC. Bound to be more reasons...
2,836 posted on 12/22/2014 3:57:26 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: xzins
...cults are known by rejection of 3/1 Trinitarian doctrine,...

The RCC has fostered an atmosphere among its members to the point, as this FR thread has made painfully evident, that the Trinity has been expanded to FOUR including a female co-redemptrix who is called by the name of Jesus' earthly mother.

What gives with THIS doctrine anyway...

(It's a cult.)
2,837 posted on 12/22/2014 4:02:34 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero
These are the ones we are praying for who are steadfast in their faith, even in the face of martyrdom. They refuse to renounce Jesus but they aren't Christian???

Pope concerned about Syriac Catholics fleeing 'inhumanity' in Mideast

(CNS/Paul Haring)

By Carol Glatz Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Pope Francis expressed his concern for members of the Syriac Catholic Church who have had to flee from the "inhumanity" unfolding in the Middle East.

"Many have fled to find refuge from an inhumanity that throws entire populations onto the streets, leaving them without any means for survival," he said Dec. 12 in a special audience with Patriarch Ignace Joseph III Younan and about 350 of his faithful from the Syriac Catholic Church.

The audience, made up of bishops, priests and laity from the Eastern-rite church, came after the bishops' annual synod, which was held in Rome Dec. 8-10. Participants came from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Egypt, Turkey and the Holy Land, as well as from the diaspora communities in Europe and North and South America.

The pope offered his prayers and encouragement, especially for those from "Iraq and Syria, who are living a time of great suffering and fear in the face of violence."

"The difficult situation in the Middle East has caused and continues to cause the movement of faithful from your church to the eparchies of the diaspora, and this brings you new pastoral challenges," he said, such as how to remain faithful to one's traditions while adapting and contributing to new cultural settings.

Having so many faithful move abroad "impoverishes the Christian presence in the Middle East, land of the prophets, of the first preachers of the Gospel, of martyrs and many saints, the cradle of hermitages and monasticism," Pope Francis said.

The changes have meant the bishops have had to reflect on the "the situation of their eparchies, which need zealous pastors as well as courageous faithful, capable of proclaiming the Gospel, through discussions that are not always easy with people of different ethnicities and religions," the pope said.

Patriarch Younan said a major focus of their synod was on priestly formation since their communities have faced so much upheaval.

"For example, just the Eparchy of Mosul has seen one bishop and 25 priests flee" along with 15,000 Syriac Catholics when Islamic State fighters swept through northern Iraq in August.

"Many of them live with the refugees now and we want to take this difficult situation into serious consideration," he said in an interview with the website theologhia.com.

He said the Syriac Catholic community has been the minority community hit hardest by the violence in Iraq. "We were 40 percent of the population" in the Nineveh plain, which has been "completely emptied of Christians."

He said 60,000 members of the community fled, many of them to Kurdistan. However, unlike the Chaldean Catholics, who have their patriarchate in Baghdad, the Syriac Catholics "have no eparchies of support. Therefore we are literally displaced."

"We have no more structures. For that reason, our people live in tents in a situation of terrible precariousness."

The latest violence now means that more than one-third of the Syriac Catholic community "has been uprooted and is in diaspora. And only God knows when we will return and if we will return."

END


2,838 posted on 12/22/2014 4:23:14 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins
These are the ones we are praying for who are steadfast in their faith, even in the face of martyrdom. They refuse to renounce Jesus but they aren't Christian???

Never have said there are no born-again children of God within the walls of RC churches. Why would you put this on me, brother?

Probably and hopefully, there are born-again children of God within the walls of many congregations--even United Methodist.
2,839 posted on 12/22/2014 4:32:40 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: GBA
>>No wonder Satan fears the one who will crush his skull beneath her heel...or so I've read.<<

You didn't read that in any correct translation. The Greek clearly says He will be the one crushing the head.

2,840 posted on 12/22/2014 4:36:16 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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