Posted on 12/22/2014 6:17:46 AM PST by marshmallow
(LWI) – Rev. Martin Junge, General Secretary of The Lutheran World Federation (LWF) says relations between the Lutheran and Catholic churches have reached an epoch-making turning-point.
Speaking during a panel discussion, held 18 December, in the Lutheran church in Rome, Junge emphasized that the relationship between Lutherans and Catholics was being transformed “from conflict to communion.” Precisely in a world “in which religion and faith are regularly portrayed and perceived as trouble makers,” he said it was a phenomenal testimony that the Lutheran and Roman Catholic churches continued to move “towards a profound communion that frees us to serve God and the world.”
Alongside Junge on the panel were, the president of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity (PCPCU) Kurt Cardinal Koch, the Catholic representative of the United Evangelical Lutheran Church of Germany Bishop Karl-Hinrich Manzke, and the chairperson of the Ecumenism Commission of the German Episcopal Conference Bishop Gerhard Feige.
Junge and Koch took the opportunity to announce plans for a common liturgical guide in connection with the 500th anniversary of the Reformation in 2017, of which publication is scheduled for 2015. Looking towards 2017, the Lutheran - Roman Catholic material is intended to enable churches all over the world to review the 500 years of Reformation. The guide will follow on from the dialogue document From Conflict to Communion published by both partners in 2013, and transpose it into liturgical acts. The material will reflect the structure of this document with its triple form of penitence for the wounds mutually inflicted; joy at the insights and dimensions of the Reformation; and hope for unity.
The panel also discussed the question of what exactly was to be commemorated in 2017. “Not church division, nor the 500th anniversary of a church and certainly not any heroic actions,” Feige was.......
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Why?
Who made you the official arbiter of Scripture?
Seriously.....when another's understanding of a Scripture passage diverges from yours, who's right?
Gonna have to go with the Jew-hating in word, with the published tracts, the rest is Catholic wishful thinking. Your saintly Pope on the other hand was a Jew hater in deeds. Much like the rest of the CC in its history. How many Jews were expelled from their homes by the hateful 'saint'?
In that day and age better men lost their head for half of what the heretic Luther managed to do.
Sadly true, many good Christians killed by the 'church'. But with the loss of secular power, the CC was rendered largely impotent in those matters, a victory for God, for mankind and for freedom. The hand of God is evident in this.
That's hilarious. Luther is probably the most infamous Catholic apostate of all.
You claim the CC doesn't recognize civil divorce, it doesn't stop them from occurring. Those folks even remain 'gasp' Catholics. You refuse them the Eucharist, but feed the pro-abort pols. Great example for the laity.
You appear to contradict yourself.
Perhaps to the discernment challenged, can't help that.
Does your sect try to stop abortion?
Yep.
Because I can read.
Seriously.....when another's understanding of a Scripture passage diverges from yours, who's right?
Well since I am always in line....the one who can best prove it through the scripture. Doctrinal items only, because of audiophora, some things are debatable, but not essential issues.
He sure is, and the CC was unable to kill him like so many others before him.
Being able to read confers Scriptural insight?
That's it?
Are Jehovah's Witnesses illiterate?
Well since I am always in line....the one who can best prove it through the scripture
Another tautology.
Scripture is the subject of the disagreement. If we disagree on its meaning, how can it be used as "proof"? The argument simply moves on to the meaning of the proof and the can gets kicked further down the road.
In case you're not getting it, we're waiting for an explanation of why your understanding of Scripture is any more worthy of credence than the next Scripture reader, e.g. the folks from the LWF.
No, but Lucifer was able to kill Luther's faith. Such a shame.
Did you miss the part of being Christian and the aid of the Holy Spirit? Just like our Lord said, just like scripture testifies.
Are Jehovah's Witnesses illiterate?
Are JWs Christian?
Scripture is the subject of the disagreement. If we disagree on its meaning, how can it be used as "proof"? The argument simply moves on to the meaning of the proof and the can gets kicked further down the road.
It can, it has, it's a sinful world. I don't have to kill you for it.
we're waiting for an explanation of why your understanding of Scripture is any more worthy of credence than the next Scripture reader, e.g. the folks from the LWF.
Can you find support for abortion in scripture? If not, you agree with me. If you can, welcome to your new communion.
Scripture is the subject of the disagreement. If we disagree on its meaning, how can it be used as “proof”? The argument simply moves on to the meaning of the proof and the can gets kicked further down the road.
Many Lutherans can "find" support for abortion in scripture. I'm surprised you still attach yourself to that sect.
Better to make progress towards full communion with the Eastern Orthodox who are only separated from us by history and human failings and not by rank heresy. Lutheranism was founded in heresy and persists in heresy and only piles it deeper through the years. Sadly The Church in Germany is dominated by another group of heretics in Casper and his followers so even if Luthern individuals seek to repent of Luther’s folly they will have a hard time finding the truth.
The question I asked was..."who made you the official arbiter of Scripture?"
Your reply was ...."because I can read."
It's unclear to me from this shtick whether you're claiming an authority on Scripture which other Scripture readers don't possess.
It can, it has, it's a sinful world. I don't have to kill you for it.
No it hasn't. It has generated disagreements between people with different viewpoints, all claiming authority and all claiming victory. All throwing scriptural quotations at each other in circular arguments.
Result? An ever increasing fracture of those claiming adherence to the Gospel as disagreements lead to new "reformations" and the formation of more "churches", each with the "true" Gospel.
Can you find support for abortion in scripture? If not, you agree with me. If you can, welcome to your new communion.
The issue is much wider than abortion, I'm afraid.
We want to know why anything you say about Scripture carries any more gravitas than the next Bible reader?
Well?
LOL, you have obviously read Luther's work. Satan's house divided and all.
No, like the lost they find support in their emotions, some are caring but misguided as they count themselves wise as they trade the wisdom of God for a lie, others from evil.
Than it should be easy to answer that question: Can you find support for abortion in scripture?
We want to know why anything you say
Because I'm not saying it, clear sentences from the Word of God. Catholics filter that to where it is meaningless. Yet the Gospel is spoken in the Catholic church God's powerful message of redemption.
At one time Catholics believed the Word was inerrant, then they traded that truth for one generated and attested to by men. Then man-made traditions became equally important as scripture, then a safer more gentle way to God became necessary and scripture and what it objectively teaches is lost and becomes irrelevant.
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle.
You've spent the entire thread telling us what the Bible teaches on certain issues.
You are giving us your personal understanding of what's written in Scripture.
It's you. The LWF has a different take on the same book.
..... clear sentences from the Word of God.
Others read them differently from you.
Who's right?
Step up to the plate.
We're still waiting to for you to tell us why your understanding of Scripture trumps the LWF's.
All you've offered so far is that the Holy Spirit inspires you and that Scripture is "clear".
A myriad of conflicting voices say the same.
Does the Holy Spirit also inspire those with whom you disagree? Or do you have the hotline to God?
The LWF is very left wing.
Let’s just say for orthodox Lutherans, this doesn’t put the Catholic church in a good light.
Actually, no they can’t
Go to the forums, read their statements. The reject the Scriptures as a fantasy dreamed up by a woman hating St Paul.
Most will rail against the Bible, saying it should not be taking literally and that the Spirit changes things.
Other than translation from Latin into the local tongue, to which “changes” do you object?
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