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Declaring and Defending the Deity of Christ
Grace to You ^ | October 12, 2012 | John MacArthur

Posted on 02/16/2015 8:27:19 AM PST by redleghunter

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To: redleghunter

You also know that per

Deuteronomy 4:16
“You shall therefore not become corrupt and make a statue depicting any symbol. [Do not make] any male or female image,

4:17 or the image of any animal on earth, any winged creature that flies in the sky,

4:18 any lower form of land animal, or any animal that lives in the water below the earth.

4:19 When you raise your eyes to the sky, and see the sun, moon, stars and other heavenly bodies, do not bow down to them or worship them.”

And yet Christians make images of their rabbi/god all the time.

Let’s go to another prophet Elijah.

1 Kings 19:10-
‘He said, “I have been very zealous for the LORD, the God of hosts; for the sons of Israel have forsaken Your covenant, torn down Your altars and killed Your prophets with the sword. And I alone am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.”

So He said, “Go forth and stand on the mountain before the LORD.” And behold, the LORD was passing by! And a great and strong wind was rending the mountains and breaking in pieces the rocks before the LORD; but the LORD was not in the wind. And after the wind an earthquake, but the LORD was not in the earthquake.

After the earthquake a fire, but the LORD was not in the fire; and after the fire a sound of a gentle blowing.’

Elijah sensed God’s presence, his Spirit. Another word for Spirit in Hebrew is ‘wind’ (and after the fire a sound of a gentle blowing.”)

Elijah is showing us here that God is not physical, but Spirit just like it says in John 4:24.


21 posted on 02/16/2015 10:11:48 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: redleghunter

Maybe you can answer this question

Isaiah 40:18
“With whom, then, will you compare God? To what image will you liken him?”


22 posted on 02/16/2015 10:14:57 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine; roamer_1; editor-surveyor
A Jew who knows that God is defined only as Spirit.

You mean this Jew?

John 14:

John 14 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) 14 “Don’t let yourselves be disturbed. Trust in God and trust in me. 2 In my Father’s house are many places to live. If there weren’t, I would have told you; because I am going there to prepare a place for you. 3 Since I am going and preparing a place for you, I will return to take you with me; so that where I am, you may be also. 4 Furthermore, you know where I’m going; and you know the way there.”

5 T’oma said to him, “Lord, we don’t know where you’re going; so how can we know the way?” 6 Yeshua said, “I AM the Way — and the Truth and the Life; no one comes to the Father except through me. 7 Because you have known me, you will also know my Father; from now on, you do know him — in fact, you have seen him.”

8 Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it will be enough for us.” 9 Yeshua replied to him, “Have I been with you so long without your knowing me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am united with the Father, and the Father united with me? What I am telling you, I am not saying on my own initiative; the Father living in me is doing his own works. 11 Trust me, that I am united with the Father, and the Father united with me. But if you can’t, then trust because of the works themselves. 12 Yes, indeed! I tell you that whoever trusts in me will also do the works I do! Indeed, he will do greater ones, because I am going to the Father. 13 In fact, whatever you ask for in my name, I will do; so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you ask me for something in my name, I will do it.

23 posted on 02/16/2015 10:14:57 AM PST by redleghunter (He expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself. Lk24)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
And yet Christians make images of their rabbi/god all the time.

Not this one. Go elsewhere with those claims.

24 posted on 02/16/2015 10:17:25 AM PST by redleghunter (He expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself. Lk24)
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To: redleghunter

Even your rabbi god doesn’t know the secrets God keeps! Really!

From your own replacement Torah...

Mark 13:32
“But of that day and [that] hour knows no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.”

Which shows that he’s not God.


25 posted on 02/16/2015 10:21:26 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine; editor-surveyor; roamer_1
Maybe you can answer this question

Sure.

Isaiah 44:

6 Thus says Yahweh, the king of Israel, and its redeemer, Yahweh of hosts: “I am the first, and I am the last, and there is no god besides me. 7 And who is like me? Let him proclaim it! And let him declare it and set it in order for me since I established an eternal people and things that are to come, and let them tell them the things that are coming. 8 You must not tremble, and you must not be paralyzed with fear. Have I not made you hear from of old and declared it, and you are my witnesses? Is there a god besides me? And there is no rock! I know none!”

26 posted on 02/16/2015 10:24:02 AM PST by redleghunter (He expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself. Lk24)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Which shows that he’s not God.

That's a false supposition. How many times is elohim "the powers" used in Torah?

27 posted on 02/16/2015 10:27:40 AM PST by redleghunter (He expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself. Lk24)
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To: redleghunter
"Not this one. Go elsewhere with those claims."

Okay. Let me show you.



And there's the Black version.



The Norweigan version!



But he's not Caucasian, Black, or a blonde. If only they could depict him as he was - a Jew.
28 posted on 02/16/2015 10:27:41 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: redleghunter

It doesn’t say anywhere in there that he is physical. Nothing pointed out so far in the Tanach (Old Testament) shows him to be physical.


29 posted on 02/16/2015 10:29:22 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I’ll ask nicely for you to cease the mind reading and false attribution. I do not worship pictures, paintings and objects.


30 posted on 02/16/2015 10:31:08 AM PST by redleghunter (He expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself. Lk24)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
It doesn’t say anywhere in there that he is physical. Nothing pointed out so far in the Tanach (Old Testament) shows him to be physical.

Sure, the verses in Isaiah 9 showed you, but you hand waved them as out of context.

Let me ask you this. Is YHWH limited by His own Creation?

31 posted on 02/16/2015 10:35:34 AM PST by redleghunter (He expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself. Lk24)
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To: redleghunter

Elohim is used as one of the many names of God to describe how he is interacting with the universe, Earth, or man. Christians like to use it to mean that it is the Trinity which is a not Jewish/Hebrew concept, but only a pagan one.

Elohim has plural morphological form in Hebrew, but it is used with singular verbs and adjectives in the Hebrew text when the particular meaning of the God of Israel (a singular deity) is traditionally understood. Thus the very first words of the Torah (in the book you call Genesis) are “bresheet bara elohim”, where “bara” is a verb inflected as third person singular masculine perfect.

If “Elohim” were an ordinary plural word, then the plural verb form “bar’u” would have been used in this sentence instead. Such plural grammatical forms are in fact found in cases where “Elohim” has semantically plural reference. There are a few other words in Hebrew that have a plural ending, but refer to a single entity and take singular verbs and adjectives, for example “be’alim” which means “owner” in Exodus 21:29.


32 posted on 02/16/2015 10:40:31 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: redleghunter

But you do worship a man as God. THAT is idolatry, too.


33 posted on 02/16/2015 10:42:05 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: redleghunter

When all you have is the English translation you can easily take that verse and mis-interpret it any way you want to justify your belief.

The students of Jesus thought he would come back in their lifetime. He never did.

The same mistake was made with the followers of Rebbe Schneerson whom they thought he was Messiah and/or God and would come back. He hasn’t so far.


34 posted on 02/16/2015 10:45:07 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

So you don’t know.


35 posted on 02/16/2015 10:47:09 AM PST by redleghunter (He expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself. Lk24)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Again, why does John 4:24 say what it says and does not include anything about Him being physical?


36 posted on 02/16/2015 10:47:36 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: redleghunter

Do you mean the exact number of times that word used in the Tanach?


37 posted on 02/16/2015 10:49:51 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: redleghunter

When the false Messiah shows up in a few years to save the world from the global economic collapse that will take down all nations, he will declare himself to be God.

That’s when you know he’s not a good guy.


38 posted on 02/16/2015 10:54:13 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine; editor-surveyor; roamer_1

No, I worship no man. I worship The Father in the Name of the Son of God Yeshua HaMashiach.

Yeshua HaMashiach is YHWH manifest in the flesh. This I believe and as manifested by Yeshua in Word, deed and Might.

Yochanan 1 Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)

1 Bereshis (in the Beginning) was the Dvar Hashem [YESHAYAH 55:11; BERESHIS 1:3], and the Dvar Hashem was agav (along with, etzel, Mishle 8:30;30:4) Hashem, and the Dvar Hashem was nothing less, by nature, than Elohim! [Psa 56:11(10); Yn 17:5; Rev. 19:13 i.e., the Ma’amar Memra]

2 Bereshis (in the Beginning) this Dvar Hashem was with Hashem [Prov 8:30].

3 All things through him came to be, and without him came to be not one thing which came into being. [Ps 33:6,9; Prov 30:4]

4 In him was Chayyim (Life) and the Chayyim (Life) was the Ohr (Light) of Bnei Adam. [TEHILLIM 36:10 (9)]

5 And the Ohr shines in the choshech [TEHILLIM 18:28], and the choshech did not grasp it. [YESHAYAH 9:1]

6 There came an ish haElohim (a man of G-d), having been sent from Hashem. His name was Yochanan.(OJB)


39 posted on 02/16/2015 10:56:33 AM PST by redleghunter (He expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself. Lk24)
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To: redleghunter

Using Elohim in a plural context is incorrect when it relates to the God of Israel. It is used in a plural sense in “gods of Egypt” in the verse from Exodus 12:12.

That word is mentioned over 2,500 times in the Tanach.


40 posted on 02/16/2015 10:58:19 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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