Posted on 02/16/2015 8:27:19 AM PST by redleghunter
That is when people who have denied Yeshua as Messiah and Lord will say "here's the messiah...people told us he was not God but a man like us."
BTW, the anti-christ will not claim to be God, but exhalt himself as such.
From Daniel 11:
36 And HaMelech shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every g-d, and shall speak monstous things against the G-d of g-ds, and shall prosper till the wrath be accomplished; for that is determined shall be done.(OJB)
Well, if Jesus can be God, so can Barack Obama because if one man can become God so can everyone else per the Mormons and this verse out of the Torah.
Genesis 3:22
‘Now the Lord God said, “Behold man has become like one of us, having the ability of knowing good and evil, and now, lest he stretch forth his hand and take also from the Tree of Life and eat and live forever.”’
See! We can become just like Him!
So, yeah, Jesus climbed the stairway to Heaven and became God.
When Obama is crowned Messiah and King by the world over after the world economy collapses he’ll ascend the same stairs and join Jesus. Then we will have a Quadrinity!
That pic is from http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/
Man does his best to bring God down to Earth with an almost infinite amount of idols in many, many forms.
Jews will keep telling the world that God cannot be man and man can never be God. And that is the primary reason for the anti-Semitism you see in the world.
Well Jack you really pushed it. I will have to ask the Mod to remove the rubbish you posted above. I mean really, do you have to post pictures of the spawn of Satan and destroyer of our nation?
No more Obola pictures please. And good bye.
Man has always tried to claim and exalt himself as being God whether it is Nimrod or those contemporary times. And there have been and always will be many who support those with that personality dis-order.
LOL! That pic of Obola is just too much, I know. But I had to prove a point.
We are this close to the world having one man be God of this Earth. All we need are the right economic conditions and people will demand it. The democratic will of the people will make it a reality. Just watch.
Hi Jack,
I don’t post as much here as I used to, but I think you are deserving answers to points you have made. I hope we can be friends here.
I use the New King James Version in all of my passages.
“Nothing pointed out so far in the Tanach (Old Testament) shows him to be physical.”
Let me point out a few issues from genesis and compare them tho what the Apostle John said.
Genesis 1
26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all[b] the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
The main question above is this: Who created man? Was it a single God, or was it a plural God.
Genesis 2:7
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
We know that man was made in His image. What is his image, then. Is that not defined in the way that He made man? We see three elements: the dust, the breath of God and a living being. I think the King James reads as “living soul”.
This all leads the Christians to this position. The dust represents the physical part of man and God. The breath represents the spirit of man and the Spirit of God. The living being (soul) represents the mind/will of man and of God.
So, we see the parts of the image of God as Jesus (prophetically) in the dust, the Holy Spirit as represented by the breath, and the Father as represented by the fact that man became a living soul.
John 1
Note that this book beans with the phrase, In the beginning. As you know, that is the actual name of Genesis in the Torah.
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
So, these is a person referred to as “the Word”. He is identified as being God, and the creator of all things. Per the New Testament, Jesus was present at the creation.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and His own[d] did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
It states here that Jesus made everything and came to visit His creation. It also tells us that we rejected Him.
Isaiah 53 supports this:
3 He is despised and rejected by men,
A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief.
And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him;
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
4 Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
5 But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.
Back to the Book of John
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
15 John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.’”
Once again, a reminder from John that God became a man. The point that we beheld His glory as the only begotten of the Father point to the fact that we did not see the fullness of God with our eyes, because who can look upon Him and live?
John the Baptist is Jesus’ older cousin, but states that Jesus was before Hm. That should say something about what John thought about Jesus’ pre-existence.
John 17
5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
This shows that Jesus specially stated that He had been in Heaven previously, but in the same Glory as the Father.
I did this all on the fly for you. It is not something that I found online.
“The main question above is this: Who created man? Was it a single God, or was it a plural God.”
Here is his explanation which is based on Midrashic sources:
“Although [the angels] did not assist Him in His creation, and there is an opportunity for the heretics to rebel, to misconstrue the plural as a basis for their heresies, Scripture did not hesitate to teach proper conduct and the trait of humility, that a great person should consult with and receive permission from a smaller one. Had it been written: “I shall make man,” we would not have learned that He was speaking with His tribunal, but to Himself.
And the refutation to the heretics is written alongside it, in the following verse: “And God created,” and it does not say, “and they created.”
Again, you have to know the Hebrew and its grammar before you can go off on a wild hair.
“We know that man was made in His image. What is his image, then. Is that not defined in the way that He made man? We see three elements: the dust, the breath of God and a living being. I think the King James reads as “living soul”.
This all leads the Christians to this position. The dust represents the physical part of man and God. The breath represents the spirit of man and the Spirit of God. The living being (soul) represents the mind/will of man and of God.
So, we see the parts of the image of God as Jesus (prophetically) in the dust, the Holy Spirit as represented by the breath, and the Father as represented by the fact that man became a living soul.”
Spirit+Earth=Man or
Formless+form= Man.
But what is God’s breath? Something other than God Himself directly.
We could easily posit that since God’s breath is God and Earth is God because they both come from God, then man is God.
As an aside...
The Targum Onkelos (the Greek and first translation of the Torah) says instead of man being a “living being” he was a “speaking being.”
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
1Co 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
1Co 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
Who do you think Isaiah was speaking of in Isaiah 53 (and this is just one fulfilled prophecy of many)?
The Jews of Jesus’ time were looking for a conquering Messiah, somehow having missed Isaiah 53 entirely. That’s why they wanted Him crucified.
Maybe take a time out and reflect a bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hdG1aXlExI&list=PLB185639B2AF014EB
1Co 2:14 “But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God...”
That’s rather odd. It says the Spirit of God not the Body of God. Hmmm... Wonder why?
The natural man is very...natural, very physical. So why doesn’t a physical God reach out to a physical man?
When the false Messiah shows up it’ll be so easy to fool the Christians since they think God can be a man.
It’s one thing to be God who is Spirit who is infinite and formless, but a messiah having the Spirit of God resting on his shoulders does not qualify him to be God.
Suppositions of your own.
If a destroyed temple in 70AD has not given you a hint...
So what you are saying is Jerusalem would not have been sacked by the Romans if Jews had just gone with the pagan belief that man can be a god or God?
Only to the extent that you give Christ credit for having the power He claims, can you believe in it and can you accept it.
That said, over two decades of reflection on MacArthur leads me to the inexorable and well reasoned conclusion that he often lets a “god of anxiety” into his theology. That militates directly against faith. I would not want to believe in that kind of “God of MacArthur” any more than I would want to believe in, say, the “God of the LDS.”
It is a vice, dating from our preincarnate rebellion against God in unity with Adam and Eve, to overly intellectualize things and take pride in our mental pictures. And that is a gobstopping God-stopper for our souls.
Christianity preaches the other perspective — that God can descend into humanity. No human can rise to be God. But that is not what Christianity preaches.
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