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How Can the Church Tell a Gay 16-Year Old that 'God's Will' for them Is a Life Void of Sex, Romance?
Christian Post ^ | 03/15/2015 | BY MATT MOORE

Posted on 03/15/2015 5:58:04 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: sten; SeekAndFind

” any support for homos would have to be applied to pedos and the ‘polyamourous’ crowd”

The same logic would also apply to people “born” pyromaniacs, kleptomaniacs, sadists, etc.

Does God really want these people to live a miserable life by constantly having to suppress their urges?


41 posted on 03/15/2015 8:40:23 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: John S Mosby; SeekAndFind
The teaching of the Catholic Church on homosexuality (taken from The Catechism of the Catholic Church (LINK):

"Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

"The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection."

There are many self-described Catholics who fail to live, or even to teach, this doctrine. But it's not that the Catholic Church, herself, has capitulated to the lie.

But many Catholics have. That's sin for ya. The devil delights in pulling people down into their own weakness, and far too many people willingly cooperate with evil. Even in the Church, of course: the dragnet pulls in all kinds of fish, including real monsters of the deep. But that's the nature of the Church on earth.

Matthew 13:47-48
"Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away."

Oh, and by the way, it's the Catholic (and Orthodox) Church, virtually alone, which has taught that celibate chastity is entirely livable and has its own gifts and richness. Who else talks about that?

42 posted on 03/15/2015 9:01:33 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Let us commend ourselves and each other, and all our life unto Christ our God." Liturgy of St.John)
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To: trebb; SeekAndFind
Trebb, thanks for joining the discussion.

There's a difference between a person attracted to sin (which we all are) who nevertheless prays and seeks the Lord and tries, with Our Lord's help, to live a God-pleasing life, and a person who acts out on their disorder (whatever it is) and demands to have that accepted, celebrated and even blessed.

I have enough waywardness and self-deceptions to know that it's hard to truly accept the purifying fire of God's love. To live "in Christ" is to be between the hammer and the anvil, forged into an entirely new creature. But there is no safe place in the Universe except "in Christ."

43 posted on 03/15/2015 9:13:14 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Let us commend ourselves and each other, and all our life unto Christ our God." Liturgy of St.John)
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To: daniel1212
Thanks, I get your point.

BTW, I think you mean "opposite sex" There is no such thing as an "opposite gender."

44 posted on 03/15/2015 9:18:35 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Let us commend ourselves and each other, and all our life unto Christ our God." Liturgy of St.John)
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To: sten

You nailed it. I told my kids their lives ought to be devoid of sex until (and unless) they married. I didn’t have sex before marriage, and I married at 28. So yes...it is possible.

Romance? Romance does NOT equal love. It seems to rarely equal love, at times. Romance is what sells poorly written novels to women. It has nothing to do with the love that sees you thru the years. Romance has more to do with desire than it does with love.

Romance is wanting something. Love is giving something. They should not be confused.

And FWIW, the few homosexuals I’ve met had ZERO romance in their lives. Romance still involves a measure of restraint, and homosexuals are not famous for restraint. When there are no limits on your desires, all you have left is desire - not romance. And thus you have neither romance nor love left, only rampant, unfulfilled desire.


45 posted on 03/15/2015 9:23:22 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Can you remember what America was like in 2004?)
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To: Morpheus2009
I lived for sixteen years from puberty kicking in without having sex with another human being, think about it...

Not possible! You'd have died of a broken romancrias if that were true.

46 posted on 03/15/2015 9:23:54 AM PDT by papertyger (I didn't leave my party: my party betrayed me.)
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To: GenXteacher
... folks who refuse to see that these sorts of things make civilization itself unsustainable ...

Well said!

47 posted on 03/15/2015 9:28:49 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm pretty sure hummingbirds don't have feet.)
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To: daniel1212

I think he’s saying that it is God’s will (I.e. What God wants) that sodomites be put to death. See Leviticus 20:13 and Romans 1:32.

“Same-sex attraction” is part of what Romans 1 calls being given over by God to unnatural affection. The bible makes it clear that the reprobate doesn’t usually stop with their corrupted desire, but will do that which is an abomination.

One who is engaging in this filthy behavior should be kicked out of church, not coddled. This is a sin unto death and our laws should reinstate the death penalty for sodomite behavior, as well as adultery and fornication.

That ought to clean up the congregation.


48 posted on 03/15/2015 9:29:13 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: papertyger
LOL!😃
49 posted on 03/15/2015 9:29:37 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: albie

“Becauth thath the way it ith, and you better lithen to me cause I AM the motht important perthon in the world— me and my butt buddieth”.

Still in the anal/oral fixation stage of development, and self-absorption the queers of the world think we MUST accept their abberant behaviour— because they are who they are. And we just better or else. Which is why you don’t put them in places of national security importance like Brad/Chelsea Manning.

Think of them as children. Or better as an extended generation of the Boomer’s who think the world f’n owes them, because they just... are.


50 posted on 03/15/2015 9:34:50 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hey rootie toots and pedophiles (male and females)— here’s a little reality for you. The world does not give a crap. Just wait til the muzzie caliphate finds you out, as you abuse the freedoms our Founders created a nation to foster.

Get Over It :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H-Y7MAASkg


51 posted on 03/15/2015 9:37:18 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: aquila48

Yes. Right along with the rest of us. Dying to self and being obedient for the love of your Savior who died so you could live.


52 posted on 03/15/2015 11:03:20 AM PDT by Dianna
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To: PapaBear3625

Hoffer’s book is worthwhile - I have recommended it here to people as well - but it should be remembered that he was an atheist. This seriously affected his understanding of human nature and colored his views on everything else.


53 posted on 03/15/2015 11:13:11 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: daniel1212
Of course not

Your rationalizing a condition into conversation and dialog that God doesn't recognize in the first place

To HIM, sodomy is the type of sin that should die

Take it up with him, don't try to find a social reason for the sodomite to practice his sin and be accepted/acceptable.

Christians love the sinner ... not the sin so the sin must go if the sinner is to be accepted/acceptable

54 posted on 03/15/2015 12:13:51 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but, they're true)
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To: SeekAndFind

My first question would be: How come so many boys are coming out as gay? Is there something in the water? or the air? Or on The Air that is causing them not to think straight?


55 posted on 03/15/2015 1:42:08 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: trebb

. What we have is a homosexual culture that is radically intolerant of Christian morality because it says what they do is immoral. But they have gone far beyond that and are promoting the idea that sex is all in the head, so to speak. Never mind what kind of body you have.


56 posted on 03/15/2015 1:42:26 PM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: knarf

Paul spoke of sodomy as a kind of madness. This about right. Now it is leading to physical mutilation to fulfill the wishes of boat who want to become girls and vice versa.


57 posted on 03/15/2015 1:45:40 PM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: knarf

Christians love sinners they way that some people love drug admits and intervene to keep them their habit from killing them. Except the Christian realizes that sin causes spiritual death.


58 posted on 03/15/2015 1:48:50 PM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
"Is there something in the water?"

As a matter of fact, they find significant amounts of Estrogen in most municipal water supplies after treatment and on the way to your tap. There are a couple of other things also commonly found in the water supply that depress the creation of testosterone but I don't have a bookmark to the articles I've read about them.

This all has a huge impact on kids going through puberty, male and female. It throws normal development out of whack at least a bit in everyone and a whole lot in a significant percentage of kids. CA and one other State, I forget which, also have surprisingly large amounts of the most common antidepressants in their treated water. Sounds like a mix that would equal what Robin Williams called, Ph**kItDol.

The water filters you can put on you tap seem to be good at removing this stuff but possibly not all of them. A filter on your tap seems like it's definitely worth looking into while at one time I thought it was basically all marketing. We had our own well until we moved down the road a few years ago so it wasn't a concern to us.

Now I recommend such a filter at least if you have young kids and grand kids around. Even without kids around, it seems to me this sort of stuff could react with things like high blood pressure medicine. My mother in law was diabetic and given the things her doctor avoided prescribing for her, it seems to me such things could make insulin absorption erratic although maybe they're not the sort of hormone that impacts insulin absorption.

It's a serious enough problem that the media has geared up to insist that it's not due to contraceptive use but due to something horrible like not being vegetarian or not being Muzzie, I forget which.

While it's not pervasive like the municipal water supplies, I've heard both positive and negative things about Soy Milk tinkering with Estrogen levels. Good things about it reducing estrogen in older men, bad things about it mimicking Estrogen in kids. That's worth checking out, too, if you have kids and grand kids and use soy milk. Whether all sorts of soy have the same effect, I don't know.

All in all, this country is doing a damn fine job of making major changes to human hormone systems that are by nature balanced on a razors edge without caring what the results may be. One result may well be an increase in the number of young men feminized and/or inclined towards homosexual behavior. I guess we'll know that's absolutely the case if the powers that be start substituting Soy Milk for cow's milk in school lunch programs.

59 posted on 03/15/2015 2:35:00 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The same way a pedophile’s should be void of “sex and romance.”


60 posted on 03/15/2015 3:25:37 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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