Posted on 10/03/2015 11:34:10 AM PDT by NYer
On the eve of the Synod, a homosexual priest working for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and teaching at a university in Rome publicly announced himself to be a homosexual and that he has a “companion”. He took advantage of the imminent Synod and recent news stories about the “gay friendly” Pope Francis to come out and also to issue an absurd 10 point “manifesto” demanding that the Church change her teachings about homosexuality.
Keep in mind that even were the Church to do that – in his dreams – it wouldn’t be enough. Nothing is enough for militant “gays”.
The Holy See’s reaction? He’s fired from his positions.
ChurchMilitant has a pretty summary of the train wreck that occurred.
ROME, October 3, 2015 (ChurchMilitant.com) – A Polish priest working at the Congregration for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) has admitted his homosexuality [poor man] and issued a manifesto demanding changes to Church teaching. [deluded man]
The priest, Msgr. Krzysztof Charamsa, is a professor at the Pontifical Gregorian University [a Jesuit institution] and has been on the Vatican’s International Theological Commission since 2009. [big deal]
In a video released yesterday by the Polish LGBT activist group Artyku? osiemnasty, Msgr. Charamsa declares his homosexuality [poor man] and admits to having a boyfriend. [deluded man]
Also released along with the video was a 10-point manifesto of demands. [deluded man]
1. Disposal of homophobia and anti-gay discrimination[…]2. Condemnation of punishment for homosexuality
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3. Cessation of the Church’s interference in guaranteeing human rights by democratic states
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4. Canceling incompetent and prejudicial documents
We demand the Pope revise the Catechism and repeal all the cruel documents that are incompetent to deal with the issue of homosexual persons, who are the object both of the Church’s compassion and stigmatization — in particular, the documents of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the heir to the Holy Inquisition. Unacceptable documents include:
a) the declaration Persona Humana from 1975, [let’s all make sure to re-read it!] discussing among other things the “pathological constitution” of homosexual persons, which by their nature supposedly “have difficulty adjusting socially” and carry an “disorder” that “without the necessary and significant adjustment” is considered a “depravity”;
b) Letter on the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons of 1986, [an excellent, thoughtful and charitable document] which calls for “compassion” for homosexuals, who “suffer” from same-sex attraction, and which accepts the existence of “fair discrimination” against homosexuals and rejects only “unjust discrimination” against them;
c) the outrageous Considerations Concerning the Response to Legislative Proposals on the Non-Discrimination of Homosexual Persons in 1992; [Find it HERE]
d) Considerations Regarding Proposals to Legalize Unions Between Homosexual Persons from 2003, [Find it HERE] according to which homosexuality is “devoid of any genuine affective maturity,” and homosexual relationships are devoid of any “human and ordered form of sexual relations”;
e) the Catechism of the Church Catholic, sections 2357–2359, teaches that not only same-sex acts but also homosexual orientation are “objectively disordered.” It also emphasizes that by nature, homosexuals have no emotional complementarity with other human persons they love. And it adds that for most of us orientation is a difficult experience requiring compassion toward our neighbor, but not without avoiding just discrimination. How does the Church know what is our suffering and difficulty? Well, it is not sexual orientation, but homophobia from the Church. Learning via the Catechism is offensive, apart from the fact that the very definition of homosexuality is deficient, if not quite false. The analysis of the situation of homosexual persons is also deficient.
5. Immediate cancellation of discriminatory instructions about denying the priesthood to homosexual persons
We demand that the Pope immediately abolish regrettable instructions about refusing the ordination of homosexuals, endorsed by Pope Benedict XVI in 2005. [I say STRENGTHEN IT NOW! Find it HERE]
6. Initiate a serious interdisciplinary scientific reflection over the morality of human sexuality
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7. Revision of the interpretation of biblical texts on homosexuality
We demand that the Church treat seriously the question of its own interpretation of the Bible, freeing itself of fundamentalism, noting verses that talk about homosexual people, never condemning them, and contextualizing biblical texts that address homogenital acts.
8. Adoption of ecumenical dialogue with our Lutheran and Anglican brothers about homosexuality
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9. The need to ask for forgiveness toward homosexuals
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10. Respect for and belief in homosexuals and change in the distorted position of the Church on what a homosexual Christian life should look like
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Text of “Gazeta Wyborcza” received from Fr. Christopher Charamsy via Vox Cantoris. Translation slightly edited for clarity.
Interview Transcript:
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Msgr. Charamsa is expected to give a press conference on Saturday at noon in Rome. [Link to Corriere della sera – the conference was held in a restaurant]
The Holy See has reacted by firing this priest from his position at the CDF and his teaching jobs.
From the Bollettino today:
Traduzione in lingua inglese
With regard to the declarations and interview given by Msgr. Krzystof Charamsa it should be observed that, notwithstanding the respect due to the events and personal situations, and reflections on the issue, the decision to make such a pointed statement on the eve of the opening of the Synod appears very serious and irresponsible, since it aims to subject the Synod assembly to undue media pressure. Msgr. Charamsa will certainly be unable to continue to carry out his previous work in the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the Pontifical universities, while the other aspects of his situation shall remain the competence of his diocesan Ordinary.
[01621-EN.01] [Original text: Italian – working translation]
There is no way that recent news items did not play a role in precipitating this coming out party.
This priest is now done … as a priest. His ordinary gets to deal with him now.
The sodomites are emboldened. I suspect that this will sooner or later break out in violent demonstrations and protests.
Now more than ever, bishops need to make sure that their seminarians are heterosexual and clear about the Church’s teachings, especially about the pastoral care of homosexual persons.
Moreover, I suggest to priests and bishops that they increase their situational awareness, even with specialized training, and secure their residences and increase security at their parishes and institutions.
Well, that worked out well...!!!
I'm not saying there weren't more who were either chaste or closeted, but in either of those cases, you'd have to keep them under surveillance to know who they were.
BTW, I was just reading about an elite prep school in New York, the Horace Mann School, which had 20+ active homosexual teachers hitting on adolescent and teen boys for a couple of decades before the SHTF. To bad Horace Mann faculty weren't allowed to get married!! Uh... waitaminnit...
No it doesn't. If anything, the majority of clerical sex abuse cases have been been pre-VCII priests. The John Jay report states that abuse cases peaked in 1970, too soon after Vatican II for a large percentage of priests to have been ordained under its reforms. The majority of accused priests were ordained between 1950-1979 (68%) while those ordained before 1950 accounted for 21% of the accused. 62% of the accused priests were born before 1940, so were raised in the pre-Vatican II church and likely ordained or under vows prior to 1965.
Are you unfamiliar with the emissaries sent from Rome to inspect all the seminaries?
Benedict XVI did this — cleaning out the seminaries. And most of the priests of whom you speak are close to retirement.
You are still a Catholic. Why didn’t you move to a parish where the priests were orthodox. One or two or three bad priests does not mean that the entire Church is bad.
If you want all the links I have about this process I will bee glad to send them to you.
Anyway, you can come back to the church just by sitting down with a priest and getting your questions answered.
Peace to you.
cassock
The Holy See has reacted by firing this priest from his position at the CDF and his teaching jobs.
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Good! Defrocking will happen soon, I hope.
An excellent book you might want to read is “Goodbye Good Men” by Michael Rose. It is about the infiltration of the Catholic seminaries by gays. This book explains how gays would enter the church and then secretly bring their gay friends along after them. Some seminaries became thoroughly infested with them. There behavior became very obvious.
I am not sure when this began. I wonder if this may have been the work of Harry Hay the gay/pedophile who started the Mattichine Society back in the 1950’s. He was also a communist in the 1940’s and worked in Hollywood. You can look him up on Wikipedia.
When I was growing up priests were called by their title and their last name —Father Smith, Father McCarthy etc. Then it changed to a first name basis—Father Bob, Father Bill. I like the old way as it was more respectful of the office of the priest. He was more of a father rather than a buddy.
I think gays are like mice when you find one you find a whole bunch.
(Sing songie)...."Nothing you could do could tear me away from my guy....nothing you could do cause I'm stuck like glue to my guy.....like birds of a feather we stick together..I'm telling you from the start there's nothing going to tear me apart from my guy...."
I think that’s probably true.
....” The RCC is clearly incapable of internal reform”....
That would mean they would loose pretty much all their priests, which without the Priesthood the church entire would crumble....so ‘instead’.... the first act of the Pope is to say they can be homosexual, that’s ok, but they have to refrain from sexual behavior..... But they wouldn’t be homosexuals if they could control their sexual appetite to begin with. It’s not about “love”...it’s all about unrestrained sexual appetite masquerading as “love” to be socially acceptable to the public.
I have a friend who’s brother went to seminary and left because homosexuals were so “thick” there... and hooking up in between classes where ever they could find a shadow to hide in to carry out their business to relieve themselves. That if you weren’t homosexual coming into the place they would see to it you were before leaving.....needless to say his options were limited...he ran!
I would guess that while there is a larger than average pct. of homosexuals in the priesthood than the general population, probably only a small pct. of priests are homosexuals. Ten percent or less. Ten percent is ten percent too much, but it's not like they're all homos.
He was fired. That was handled right.
That was a great song, don’t ruin it. :^)
You have bought into the media, my friend.
There Is More Sexual Abuse In The Protestant Churches Than Catholic
Of course, it is much easier to attack the Catholic Church which is the only one with a central figure. Recall the words of Archbishop Sheen.
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