Posted on 01/06/2017 8:06:18 AM PST by ebb tide
Lutherans don’t have a pope. The largest Lutheran groups are in Sweden and Africa. ELCA is by far the wealthiest and also the largest in the English-speaking world.
Goodness so many half truths and falsehoods in one post! Henry VIII broke away from the Catholic Church because they would not grant an annulment on his first marriage. Not satisfied with his second wife either he went on to 4 more wives, none after the first were recognized outside of his breakaway national church in England.
Annulment is not a legal fiction though it is abused in modern times. Many bishops, priests and others will have to answer at their judgment for the marriages they declared annulled that were in fact true marriages.
Away in a Manger is a traditional English hymn, not German. You are thinking of Silent Night. And just because we do not find error in that specific hymn does not mean we accept anything else Luther taught as true.
Latin is the official language of the Church and is what official documents are published in. There is value in having a specifically liturgical language in that meanings are fixed and not subject to drift with the popular culture. Liturgy in the vernacular damages unity within parishes where large Latino populations have prompted separate Spanish and English Masses. Understanding Latin improves with practice and if it was used in church more commonly then people would be more familiar with it. Learning Latin is also very valuable in understanding the roots of many English words as well as a foundation for all the Romance languages. To dismiss Latin because a small portion of the population speaks it is foolishness, much like the rest of your post.
It sure does seem like they do. His name is Jorge Bergoglio.
It's the Catholics that don't have a pope.
“Bad” popes don’t teach heresy. They may sin, but they do not teach the Universal Church heresy.
Good one!
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So the question is if there are traditional Lutheran groups who endorse Luther’s ‘On the Jews and Their Lies’?
I’ve never heard of such a group, but there are FReepers very familiar with groups that hate Jews so perhaps they might share their knowledge of such Lutheran groups.
Trying to pin anti-Semitism on Martin Luther is plainly untruthful.
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According to Josephus, Titus killed over a million Jewish civilians in Jerusalem. He wasn't a Catholic, he was a pagan.
The previously mentioned Emperor Claudius wasn't a Catholic, he was a pagan.
Open your Bible. Haman wasn't a Catholic, he was a pagan.
Read up on the origin of the word "pogrom". It's not a word that came from a Catholic country, and it wasn't Catholics who were running the original Russian "pogroms".
There are many other examples.
And yet you conveniently whitewash the Catholic Church from among your examples.
The point here, unless you just jumped in to the discussion without reading the prior posts, is that Luther’s anti-Semitism was singled out as if Catholic hands were clean on that score, and as if he largely invented anti-Semitism as a consequence of his conflicts with the Catholic leadership of that day, neither of which could be further from the truth.
Then when Catholic anti-Semitism gets pointed out, you deflect attention from that to other examples of anti-Semitism that involve neither Luther or the Catholic Church as a straw man tactic, since no one here has denied the anti-Semitism of these other people and groups or claimed they are Catholic, either explicitly or implicitly.
The fact is, there is plenty of anti-Semitism in the Catholic Church’s history, whether you choose to keep dancing around that fact or not.
No, that would have been Greece.
Since the Pope upheld the marriage bond between Henry VIII and his first and only wife (the only wife he married via a valid Catholic Sacrament of Matrimony, Queen Catherine) -— and since Henry married SIX times, it would be hard to credit your claim that “... they (the Catholic Church) allowed Henry VIII to get up to wife #8 before raising objections.”
Where do you get tht? Just curious.
Catholics did come up with the Inquisition!
If Luther was so wrong why the Counter Reformation?
Duh... Maybe it was because Luther was so wrong. Did you ever think of that?
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