Evangelization, Vatican II, and Censorship

Crisis ^ | August 15, 2017 | Eric Sammons

[Arthur McGowan]

The Council was totally unnecessary, and should never have been called.

The two most destructive actions:

1) Uglification of the Mass (Novus Ordo)

2) Abandonment of memorization (in U.S., Baltimore Catechism) The “catechetical collapse* was a CHOICE.

[livius]

Nothing is going to improve until VII is reexamined and rejected almost in its entirety.

[BlessedBeGod]

Up until Amoris Laetitia, I probably fell into a combination of the "Orthodox Concern" group mentioned above ("The Orthodox Concern acknowledges the existence of problems in the Church that began in the 1960’s. But Vatican II is not to blame; problems...due to...poor implementation of Vatican II") + purposeful misinterpretation of ambiguity in the documents, like what's happened with Amoris Laetitia.

In the past 16 months I've changed over to "Vatican II itself has fundamental problems; problems of ambiguity and perhaps even erroneous teachings." Bishop Anthanasius Schneider helped with his opinion that the Council was NOT infallible, one of the reasons being that they themselves said it wasn't. He has suggested a syllabus of errors be created. If that's done, in addition to that, whatever ambiguity exists in the documents needs to be tightened up, like the dubia cardinals want to do with Amoris Laetitia. Or ditch whatever documents are adversely affecting the Church altogether.

I also never had a problem with the Novus Ordo. But, in light of the destruction I've realized in the past 16 months that it's caused, I believe we should return to the Extraordinary Form. And I agree with Arthur about the Catechism.

[piusv]

The beauty of Francis is the fact that he is waking up so many Catholics.

[ebb tide]

He has suggested a syllabus of errors be created.

I think Pope Blessed Pius IX's Syllabus of Errors is as applicable today as it was in 1862. Francis is full of it with his "god of surprises".

The Syllabus Of Errors

[ebb tide]

Regarding Amoris Laetitia, I think Pius IX’ listed errors #65 through #68, display the heresy of the former.

65. The doctrine that Christ has raised marriage to the dignity of a sacrament cannot be at all tolerated. — Apostolic Letter “Ad Apostolicae,” Aug. 22, 1851.

66. The Sacrament of Marriage is only a something accessory to the contract and separate from it, and the sacrament itself consists in the nuptial benediction alone. — Ibid.

67. By the law of nature, the marriage tie is not indissoluble, and in many cases divorce properly so called may be decreed by the civil authority. — Ibid.; Allocution “Acerbissimum,” Sept. 27, 1852.

68. The Church has not the power of establishing diriment impediments of marriage, but such a power belongs to the civil authority by which existing impediments are to be removed. — Damnatio “Multiplices inter,” June 10, 1851.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Evangelization can be frustrating. After 25 years evangelizing in my personal life and in official roles with the Church, including as a diocesan Director of Evangelization, I know this well. Few Catholics, of course, would be surprised that evangelization can be arduous. They may be surprised, however, at the way censorship in the Church poses a threat to evangelization. The little-known truth is that certain viewpoints, even though compatible with Catholic theology, are censored both by the institutional Church as well as many orthodox Catholic organizations—viewpoints that directly impact the success of evangelization efforts.

You know . . . I was actually hoping against hope that the author would deal with the issue of how the Catholic Church ridicules traditional ideas of Biblical authorship/authority and how it promotes evolutionism and brands any flirtation of any kind whatsoever with creationism to be inherently Protestant, un-Catholic, and heretical.

I should have known better. Apparently evolution and higher criticism are two things all Catholics at all points of the spectrum believe in.

[Zionist Conspirator]

[Condemned:] The prophecies and miracles set forth and recorded in the Sacred Scriptures are the fiction of poets

Wow . . . what trailer park was this redneck born in? The Vatican's going to have to scrub its web site before someone gets the wrong idea![/sarcasm]

[NorthMountain]

65. The doctrine that Christ has raised marriage to the dignity of a sacrament cannot be at all tolerated. — Apostolic Letter “Ad Apostolicae,” Aug. 22, 1851.

???

Which of the following two statements does the syllabus condemn:

A) Christ has raised marriage to the dignity of a sacrament.

B) Christ has not raised marriage to the dignity of a sacrament.

[ebb tide]

You and your one trick pony are getting tiresome.

[ebb tide]

The syllabus is a list of errors, but I guess you ignored that, being so focused on your pony.

[CMRosary]

The two most destructive actions: It's a Protestant "mass", lifted whole-cloth from the Book of Common Prayer. We're told that Annibale Bugnini convened a "consilium" unsurprisingly comprised mostly of protestants, who sweated and strained to create a liturgy everyone could agree on. Not true at all. The Book of Common Prayer is hardly a secret. Look it up, and you'll find the Bogus Ordo right there, almost word for word. Here's the link for the Book of Common Prayer: http://www.episcopalchurch.org/files/downloads/book_of_common_prayer.pdf Now, for those who doubt what I have said, see for yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APybNbpm4K0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioix3uJyJmA Ask yourself why the Church would cast aside the liturgy that nurtured our forebears, built magnificent, awe-inspiring churches and cathedrals, and fostered saints, whom we so deeply admire, only to replace it with an already-existing protestant service.

[piusv]

These syllabus of errors can be confusing. You have to remember that what is written is being condemned. Therefore the Catholic Church condemns the belief that Christ has not raised marriage to the dignity of a sacrament.

[CMRosary]

Therefore the Catholic Church condemns the belief that Christ has not raised marriage to the dignity of a sacrament.

And even that bears a second reading! :D

[piusv]

Nothing is going to improve until VII is reexamined and rejected almost in its entirety.

And a true Catholic pope will make this happen.

[Zionist Conspirator]

The syllabus is a list of errors, but I guess you ignored that, being so focused on your pony.

Hence my supplying the word "Condemned" in my quotation and then sarcastically remarking that Pius IX must have been a Fundamentalist Protestant for condemning such things. I even marked it as "sarcasm."

You don't seem to see such things, do you?

[Zionist Conspirator]

You and your one trick pony are getting tiresome.

Too bad.

The Catholic Church's utter and complete silence on these issues (even so-called orthodox conservative individuals, publications, and organizations) is even more tiresome.

[ebb tide]

Not from someone who claims the Catholic Church denies Genesis. You quoted Pius IX yourself? What’s your beef with him?

[NorthMountain]

Stated differently, Rome teaches that Christ HAS raised marriage to the dignity of a sacrament.

Thank you for the clarification.