What Was the Sin of Sodom and Gomorrah?

Stand to Reason ^ | 03/08/2013 | Greg Koukl

[SaveFerris]

Well, the 1966 Mustang IS cool. I liked them all. Up to and including 1973.

Yeah, I kinda tore that book apart, LOL.

[Elsie]

When a "messiah" shows up, I'm sure they'll think he's Jesus.

HEY!

It worked for the MORMONs!!

[Elsie]

... I would say both of you are in the clear.

I would say that SIN is SIN.

I doubt that any is more convoluted in practice than any other.

[Elsie]

In reality; it’s only 10% of the fun.

[shotgun]

the FX network recently aired a 4 season long series called “the Strain”, based on three books. It was about a master vampire taking over the earth. It was a good program and had several interesting characters so I bought the books and read them to get some insight into the series.

The genesis of the vampire came from one of the angels that God had sent to S&G and he became corrupted by the sin. God destroyed him and scattered his body in 7 places across the earth. Each piece of the body regenerated into a vampire.

[Elsie]

The Hebrew for “sons of God” in Genesis was the same as was used in Job in describing the “sons of God”(

According to Strong's...

Genesis 6:2

1121 [e]
ḇə·nê-
בְנֵי־
the sons
Noun

430 [e]
hā·’ĕ·lō·hîm
הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙
of God
Noun

 

 

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Job 38:7

1121 [e]
bə·nê
בְּנֵ֥י
the sons
Noun

430 [e]
’ĕ·lō·hîm.
אֱלֹהִֽים׃
of God
Noun

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Uh...   The Hebrew seems to be just a bit different in the two.

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[Elsie]

If you've seen Juan; you've seen Jamal.

[Elsie]

Parts are parts!

[SaveFerris]

Holy Spirit had the day off, I guess.

[Blogger]

First mistake is using a dynamic equivalent translation like the NIV. You do realize that homosexual activists were on the translation committee there. Very bad translation. The phrase in Hebrew is most often translated beginning.

beginning (40x), principality (8x), corner (2x), first (2x), miscellaneous (6x).

Jude 1 (KJV) And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

So, in Jude, the idea is that the angels did not honor the role or place that God had created them to fulfill but instead went after strange flesh in like manner to Sodom and Gomorrah. For this infraction, they are reserved in chains until judgment.

We see this also detailed in 2nd Peter

[2Pe 2:4 KJV] 4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell [phrase is Tartarus which has a very specific meaning and is only found here in Scripture], and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

This is tied in chronological order to Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah in the next verses.

[2Pe 2:4-8 KJV] 4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth [person], a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned [them] with an overthrow, making [them] an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: 8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed [his] righteous soul from day to day with [their] unlawful deeds;)

In 1 Peter, I believe he preached to these angels in 1 Peter 3:19 [1Pe 3:19 KJV] 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

In the Old Testament, the descendants of the fallen angels were the Rephaim. It is translated Rephaim until you reach Isaiah at which point the same word is spirits, shades, ghosts. The descendants of the Rephaim are the demons which afflict us today in various guises such as possession and the paranormal.

[Blogger]

I’m not arguing that the Bible calls homosexuality an abomination. It does. Old and New Testament. And, if the Bible says, it I believe it. I’m just saying that was not the primary sin of Sodom. Sodom was overflowing with sin. The attempt to have sex with angels closed their casket.

[Blogger]

There is a problem though when they say the sons of God are the sons of Seth, as if they Sethites were less pure. First, there is nothing unique about the children spawning from such mixed marriages. Second, if the Sethites were inherently less sinful so as to be called sons of God versus those ungodly daughters of men -— why did they look upon them with lust and take of them wives. Does not fit the usage of son’s of God in Scripture at any point in the Old Testament. It is always referring to angels.

[Gen 6:2, 4 KJV] 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. ... 4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.
[Job 1:6 KJV] 6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
[Job 2:1 KJV] 1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
[Job 38:7 KJV] 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

[Blogger]

There is no difference. The ha is on both. In Genesis it has an extra vowel marker but it is translated the same (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_God)

In Genesis: בְנֵי־הָֽאֱלֹהִים

In Job: בְּנֵי הָאֱלֹהִים

[Elsie]

One can only assume He wasn’t worthy enough to receive a physical body (yet).

[Elsie]

First mistake is using a dynamic equivalent translation like the NIV. You do realize that homosexual activists were on the translation committee there. Very bad translation.

Gee; that's what MormonISM, Inc says about the KJV; too; but they can come up with NO evidence to prove their claim!

However; the powers that be; high over Salt Lake City; STILL use IT instead of the 'Inspired Version' that Joseph Smith 'translated' by the direct COMMAND of GOD.

Go figger!

[Elsie]

... that's what MormonISM, Inc says about the KJV; too...

Here is MORMONism's own creed.  See item #8. 

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Articles of Faith

The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.

 

THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541

 

 

1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
   
2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
   
3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
   
4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
   
5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
   
6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
   
7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
   
8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
   
9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
   
10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
    
11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
    
12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
    
13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith

 

[Elsie]

I’m just saying that was not the primary sin of Sodom.

Sorry; I do not agree.

It appears to me that a person could only come to this conclusion by reading into the text; from other locations; what is not there.

[Elsie]

In the Old Testament, the descendants of the fallen angels were the Rephaim.

Angels HAVE no 'descendants'.

It is NOT recorded that GOD ever told ANY of them to 'go forth and multiply'!

[Elsie]

And, if the Bible says, it I believe it.

I agree.

But...

...if it does NOT 'say' it; then there had better be some really fantastic evidence to prove a fantastic claim.

[Elsie]

The attempt to have sex with angels closed their casket.

Nope:

Genesis 18:16-23

King James Version (KJV)   https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Genesis-Chapter-18/

16 And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way.

17 And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do;

18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?

19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.

20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;

21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.

23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?

 

 

Abraham KNEW that GOD was about to destroy the city BEFORE 'all the men of the city' were at his doorstep; thus adding angels to the 'list' was NOT the straw that broke the camels back; so to speak.