This silly article reminds me of the mental gymnastics required to decipher the Church's absurd "epicycles" to fill the gaps (eg. Mars' retrograde motion) in Ptolemy's false geocentric theory.
Posted on 01/02/2018 5:09:40 PM PST by Salvation
If you are referring to John 7:22 (”Now if a boy can be circumcised on the Sabbath so that the law of Moses may not be broken ...”) how would you square that with Galatians 5:6 (”For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.”)? Or is it another passage from which you infer a conclusion about Christ’s circumcision?
These are the kinds of things that are discussed in sermons at both Catholic and Protestant churches.
Is your point that there shouldn’t be any sermons at all; people should only pick up Bibles in bookstores and read them and that’s it? Or that there’s something unique about this particular Catholic sermon that misses a particular point in a way that a Protestant preacher would not?
Is the Book of Luke in your Bible? You might want to check!!!!
Gospel Lk 2:16-21
The shepherds went in haste to Bethlehem and found Mary and Joseph,
and the infant lying in the manger.
When they saw this,
they made known the message
that had been told them about this child.
All who heard it were amazed
by what had been told them by the shepherds.
And Mary kept all these things,
reflecting on them in her heart.
Then the shepherds returned,
glorifying and praising God
for all they had heard and seen,
just as it had been told to them.
When eight days were completed for his circumcision,
he was named Jesus, the name given him by the angel
before he was conceived in the womb.
Good comment
Any church which brain washes instead of encouraging the attendee to think for them selves is a stumbling block.
... and that He fulfilled the Law (so that we could be justified - by the grace of God!) ...and it was at His circumcision that the name was given to the holy Babe, “JESUS,” or SAVIOR (Mt 1:21; Ac 13:23). Yeshua‘/Yehoshua‘ (Joshua) in Hebrew, meaning “Yahweh saves” or “the Lord saves.”
Christ, although God, humbled Himself by being subjected to the Law of Moses.
“He was like us in all things except sin.”
I’ve always felt this was under spoken or downplayed in my churches in the past. It wasn’t that he couldn’t sin - by taking human form he was susceptible to sin, but throughout his life and all the temptations he, being the Christ, was able to resist sinning in all its many forms.
Something that we always fail at to some varying degree. Whereas we are buffeted by the winds of temptation, HE stood firm and then silenced the gale through his sacrifice.
I must add: we are not saved by anyone or anything else. Jesus Christ is the Way.
Are you saying He fulfilled the Old Covenant with his circumcision?
This silly article reminds me of the mental gymnastics required to decipher the Church's absurd "epicycles" to fill the gaps (eg. Mars' retrograde motion) in Ptolemy's false geocentric theory.
Thomas Acquinas wasn’t a Pope. He was probably the most brilliant theologian in history. And he was there prior to the Reformation.
It is so.
With all respect, I may not believe in your notion of ‘stumbling blocks’.
Our Lord came. A lot of what he said was open to interpretation, and a lot of interpretations grew up around His words and life.
Some of those interpretations make sense to some people, and some to others.
The important thing is that people find their way to the God that is within them; and that’s going to be a somewhat different path for each person.
(I don’t understand this perpetual *fighting* over something that is supposed to be about LOVE. It seems to me that if people were actually following the instruction of Jesus, we wouldn’t see threads like this.
Religion, on FR, seems to have become just more “politics”.)
In the old universal latin rite mass liturgical readings followed the episodes of Christ’s childhood. The New Year mass following Christmas was known as “The Feast of Circumcision”. American bishops bowing to political correctness decided it become known as “ Purification”. A few years back one would see January 6th shown in all American calendars marked as Epiphany the traditional 12th day of Christmas. Since then it no longer appears on the calendar. Catholic bishops had much earlier moved observance of it to the Sunday following New Year.
Except for those teenaged years. You know, those years where there I no record of him being anything but a teenager and young adult.
The popes changed the Sabbath from the 7th day to the 1st day of the week. They stopped celebrating the Leviticus Feasts days for pagan days like Christmas on Dec 25 and Easter( Ishtar or Astarte) not on First Fruits. The RCC could be saved, but what are the odds? They have made Mary into Jezebel and worship idols. Eating things sacrificed to idols is referring to your Eucharist. The first pope is easily provable to be in the 4th century. James, the brother of Jesus, took the church when Jesus ascended. There was a Jewish church founded by the Apostles 300 years before the RCC was even thought of. Look back through your history of 12yo popes, bastard boys becoming popes, the buying of offices, and on and on. The Bible is infallible, not the RCC. It is the Babylonian pagan idol worship combined with a similitude of Christian tradition. That is called adultery in Bible terms.
This was written in love, not to make you mad. If we can never have this conversation, the RCC will die in it's sin. They have heard lies and obfuscation for so long, they cannot even read the words on the page. I've been there. I was raised baptist and no one ever spoke about the Holy Spirit. I was almost 60 when I received the Baptism in the Holy Spirit. I could not even read the words on the page until the scales fell off. John 1 tells us the Word is God. The Ruach became Flesh and then became Logos. Jesus came to save, but His Word will judge us. Don't listen to me or anyone else with your relationship with God. Read the verses and pray God will show you the truth. The Woman rides the Beast would be a good start. If you are wrong, wouldn't you want to know? If you are right, what would it hurt? There are no popes, nuns, or cardinals in the Scriptures. it's made up to make you think you owe allegiance to men over Jesus. As a Christian, you are a priest and King. A vote in Italy doesn't affect your station with God. You are a saint when you accept Jesus as Savior. It has nothing to do with how good you are or what church you attend, but what your relationship is with Jesus. If you are the child of the King, you are automatically a prince. A prince in Bible terms is an angel, or messenger of God. Just as I broke off of the Baptist denomination, you can leave the RCC and you are still the child of God. They cannot excommunicate you or hurt your salvation in anyway. Francis is just a man, a fallible man, a socialist man. He would deny Jesus to get more food stamps for Venezuela.
If you do a study on Nimrod and Babylon and see the pagan foundation of much of what we believe today, you can see how paganism has worked it's way deep into what Christians believe today. Look up Madonna and child to see the beginnings of Mary worship thousands of years before Mary. Look up Tammuz and Semiramis and see what they represent. Look up Semiramis coming back as an egg to hatch as the mother of god. It has to wake any thinking person up. A Christian today would look closer to a believing Jew than a Catholic or a Baptist. The RCC is almost totally man made and confused verse reading.
That's where I quit reading and lose all respect for the author.
A topic I’d rather remain ignorant on.
G’Nite, dear.
If Jesus is NOT God, his sacrifice was worthless and our faith is pointless.
What does Scripture say?
John 1:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
...
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 8:
52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. 53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself? 54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: 55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
Why, do you suppose, did they want to stone Him?
The answer should be obvious: He claimed as His own the Name of God.
Either He is God, or He was a blasphemer. There is no middle ground.
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