BEWARE THE RED HEIFER: How religious nutballs could start World War III

Antiwar.com ^ | April 15, 2002 | Justin Raimondo

[Jeremiah Jr]

Zechariah 6

1 Once again I raised up my eyes and saw, and behold, four chariots were emerging from between two mountains, and the mountains were mountains of copper.

Just what were in those towers that generated all that World Trade?

[Brellium]

Amusing that people still think Christ will come down from heaven on a cloud so that all would see.

"If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come upon thee as a theif..."

"I will write upon him my new name."

[American in Israel]

but isn't it common knowledge that throughout the history of mankind more wars have been staged under the auspices of religion than not?

That is what the religion of Atheism says...

[detsaoT]

My mistake. But there is still that red heifer thing.

The only significance of the red heifer to Israeli Jews is to prepare for the resumption of sacrifices in the Temple (as yet to be reconstructed). It's a requirement for the priests to be "purified" in order to enter the "Holy of Holies" in the Temple, and, iirc, it's blood would be used to purify the instruments used to perform the sacrifices in the Temple.

In and of itself, it's not a sign of the first nor second Coming, but is rather a technical hurdle which allows the adherents of Judaism to once again begin performing their religious duties (up until now there have been no red heifers in Israel, or something to that effect...)

That's the way I've come to understand my reading of the issues related to it. Other FReepers who know more about this than I do are welcome to correct my corrections.

:) ttt

[GSWarrior]

The only difference between the other three religions above and Secular Humanism is that Secular Humanism essentially places Man in the place of what the other three refer to as "God". Get the drift?

From that I would conclude that all war is religious in nature.

[Cultural Jihad]

I get the feeling that antiwar.com is the crazy uncle that Libertarians wish they could keep locked up in the attic.

Or as the Cato Disinstitute would say, in the closet.

[Cultural Jihad]

** Homosexual Racism **

The racism of white homosexuals is very intense.
It is well-known to the liberal media,
Yet the media would never mention this fact.
It doesn't fit cozily in their "cause"
Of establishing BEHAVIORAL minority status to homosexuals.
If they WERE to report the racism of the homosexuals,
It would make them "journalists,"
Which they like to think they are.
But it would interfere with their "cause."

The homosexuals,
Who think they're better than mere "cows" and "breeders,"
They look at the minorities and say:
"Gee.
If these lowly Black people can have civil rights,
Then WE, who are better, anyway,
Who are more valuable than others,
WE should have civil rights, too!"

The homosexuals are courting the legitimate minorities,
To go along with them,
To accept their money,
In their civil rights "cause."

Thus, the genuine minorities are played for fools.

If minorities don't distance themselves
From the debauched homosexuals,
It will hurt THEMSELVES.
For their own survival,
They need to cut themselves off from the evildoers.

The mud just splatters,
And gets over EVERYBODY.

[detsaoT]

From that I would conclude that all war is religious in nature.

I think it's more accurate to say that NO war is religious in nature. Wars are HUMAN by nature. Part of living in a fallen world, I suppose. (YMMV, of course...)

Once again, search and peruse the information online related to Just War Theory. It will hopefully 'splain things in a manner far superior to that which I am able to.

:) ttt

[tpaine]

Libertarians have a lot of crazy uncles they would like to keep locked up.

Fedophiles, like you, --- have a lot of crazy uncles they would like to keep locked up.

[Don Myers]

"Fedophiles, like you, --- have a lot of crazy uncles they would like to keep locked up."

Aw, Tom, don't be mad. I know that I don't believe that illegal drugs should be legalized, but I still like you as a person. Honest. May I adopt you? How about sending you some money? I know that drugs are expensive.

[Cultural Jihad]

Fedophiles, like you, --- have a lot of crazy uncles they would like to keep locked up.

Instant Ideologuese-to-English translation service:
"Us moral-liberal ideologues equate conservative values with child-rape, and thereby trivialize the latter while denigrating the former."

[TopQuark]

What is it about the liberals of the world, that any opposition to Islam is unthinkable.

What is it? I think you know the answer: in contrast to classical liberals, the modern ones are socialists who hijacked the word because their true name had been discreditied by the Soviet system.

Socialism, in turn, is not a thought, position, or even theory: it is a state of mind. More specifically, it is a statem of mind wherein one rejects reality. This commitment --- to reject reality --- comes first. Since reality is invasive and keeps reappearing now and again, one starts to develop ad hoc reseaoning that explains away the individual instances of reality. Due to this secondary, responsive reasoning, the leftists look like they have a theory of something. The individual words and sentences make sence and mislead one into thinking that one can discuss the matter with the leftists.

Obeserve, however, what happens when you do start to discuss: the opponents do not disagree with you on interpretation --- they deny the facts. In application to the current events in the Middle East, this denieal is twofold. Firstly, the media purposefully ignores what Palestinians say in Arabic, consistently and without variation, and support their words with acts; namely, that their goal is Judenfrei Palestine. Secondly, they also ignore most of what Israelis announce or find, which includes even documents. Arafat signed a check for a suicide bomber --- ignored or explained away by rape of logic. PA has sent a letter inciting the Israeli Arabs to revolt -- again, ignored or explained away.

This has not always been the case, as you know. For a brief period, the Jews were victims and the focus of sympathy. Then women; then; homosexuals; then homeless; then Russians; then Palestinians. Observe how the problems are never solved, they are just substituted by new "causes:" this makes for an easier yet self-righteous life. Does any liberal even talk about the events in South Africa? Of course not, he moved on.

One disagrement I have with your post: Raimondo and the fictitious H.R. Gross --- who, I believe, has never participated in any of the discussions (he/she mostly posts Raimondo's garbage) --- are not even leftists. Raimondo is a self-hating Jew, whose sole purporse in life is to resists the "Jewish occupation" of the world. Thus, you give him too much honor: leftists at least have a respectable goal but start out to acheive it rather badly; Raimondo's goal is neither novel nor moral.

Incidentally, I did not mean to imply that leftists have monopoly on denial of reality: witness, for instance, the conspiracy theorists here on FR and elsewhere. The selective attention to and retention of facts by anti-Semites and other bigots is also noteworthy. Having noticed the same pattern in Raimondo's post, you may have assumed that he is a leftist. I do not think so: he appears to be a regular anti-Semite of Bobby Fisher variety.

[TopQuark]

Bump to read with my roast beef sandwich at lunch. I really worry about you and your food now: Raimondo's stuff is hard to read without throwing up.

[SauronOfMordor]

Numbers 19:

19:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying,

19:2 This is the ordinance of the law which the LORD hath commanded, saying,
Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer
without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke:

19:3 And ye shall give her unto Eleazar the priest, that he may bring
her forth without the camp, and one shall slay her before his face:

19:4 And Eleazar the priest shall take of her blood with his finger,
and sprinkle of her blood directly before the tabernacle of the congregation 
seven times: 

19:5 And one shall burn the heifer in his sight; her skin, and her flesh, 
and her blood, with her dung, shall he burn: 

19:6 And the priest shall take cedar wood, and hyssop, and scarlet, 
and cast it into the midst of the burning of the heifer.

[texson66]

Correct. In fact, Jerusalem is not even mentioned in the koran anywhere!

[TopQuark]

I do not mean to denigrate anything, but should'n your translation have begun with "we?"

[boris]

"“’It’s entirely conceivable that this [red heifer] could trigger a new round of attempts to blow up the Dome of the Rock.’ This is something the Israeli security forces have long been vigilant against."

Who needs an excuse? The mosque needs to be demolished; may as well get it over with.

--Boris

[tpaine]

Human fanatics cause war, regardless of the 'religion' to which they profess to devote themselves.

--- Arthur Koestler on fanaticism: ---

"The continuous disasters of man's history are mainly due to his excessive capacity and urge to become identified with a tribe, nation, church or cause, and to espouse its credo uncritically and enthusiastically, even if its tenets are contrary to reason, devoid of self-interest and detrimental to the claims of self-preservation.
We are thus driven to the unfashionable conclusion that the trouble with our species is not an excess of aggression, but an excess capacity for fanatical devotion. "

[OHelix]

Thanks

[Mr. Bird]

They are dispensationalists, who believe – among other things – that the colonization of the Holy Land by the children of Israel signals the second coming of Christ: the efforts of these “Christian Zionists” account for the uncritical support for Israel among many “born again” Christian conservatives.

MY support of Israel has little, if anything, to do with faith. It has everything to do with the fact that it is the only democratic state in the Middle East, is currently under attack by the same people who attacked my country, and has been an ally of my country since its modern inception. If that makes me a nutball.....