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The College is critical in our Republic’s checks and balances. Incredible that Dr. Carson is so clueless! Without the College, tyranny is more likely. The founders were very clear about the dangers of straight democracy.

“an act of defiance and desecration”

Yes, and add ‘mocking’ to the insults.

Yep, or saying it another way:

Radical Muslim: Wants to kill you.
Moderate Muslim: Wants a Radical Muslim to kill you.

I agree with the article saying that criminals avoid the open carry people, and wait for a better victim. To me, that’s the essence of open carry -— personal protection.

If the rest of society benefits from any crime reduction, or protection fo 2A, great... but it’s primarily about warding off the bad guys in the first place, which you just can’t do with concealed carry.

“These two dipsticks are hurting the cause. That isn’t open carry, that is brandishing. The anti-gun crowd is going to have a field day when one of these morons walks into a Whataburger and gets double tapped by a CHL holder.”

So you’re saying that CHL holders may draw and start shooting just from these two walking into the place? Any instance you’ve found of something like that happening? Such far fetched “might” and “could” are the bread of butter of the anit-2A people. Please don’t contribute to that with speculative arguments.

“As long as she knows she’s outta reach!

Otherwise, she’s likely to be disarmed and have it used against her!

That’s the importance of “concealed” carry!

They don’t “know” that you have it, but it’s there if you need it.”

Her whole point is to have it visible as a DETERENCE. This works. Lots of reports of a bad guy avoiding a holstered gun once it was spotted. Never been a case reported nationwide of an open carry gun being grabbed from a citizen. Happens sometimes to cops, though.

“Most perps wont want anything to do with that. But, on the otherhand, some perp sees it and may take it from her, etc. etc.”

This has been discussed extensively on the open carry gun sites. Turns out there’s been ZERO instances recorded of that happening nationwide despite plenty of open carry going on. Happens sometimes (rarely) to cops, but not to civilians. It sounds reasonable to say “might” and “maybe” but the actual facts prove otherwise.

I’ve long believed that Obama is a mental lightweight. Others do all the Presidential work, leaving plenty of time for golf, TV, etc. He’s a true puppet, good for only reading a teleprompter.

Here’s a longer version, with a number of ladies using AR-15s at the end:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj-WcafGjbM&NR=1&feature=endscreen

Yep ..... Weber, Drake, and Ringo are filling the shoes of the masters.

I’ll add Lois McMasters Bujold to the list for the series on Miles Vorkosigan. The stories are tight and easy to read, with great characters and a nice mix of humor.

I’ve been a sci-fi fan for over 50 years, and my “keepers” library is over 3k. The new stuff that I get urges to re-read are these four.

“Not unlike Saddam......”

..... and Che.

Tried many various carry methods; ended up using a shoulder bag with holster pocket for my .45ACP Glock 36.

Sure it’s kinda dorky, but hey... it’s comfy for an old fat guy who no longer worries much about the style police. And besides, I can carry my brolly, water bottle, etc.:

Can’t figure out how to post pics, so here:
Multi-Functional Tactical Messenger Bag, Army Digital by UTG http://www.amazon.com/Multi-functional-Tactical-Messenger-UTG-Made/dp/B00AYODBD0/ref=sr_1_9?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1358101806&sr=1-9&keywords=UTG+Multi-functional+Tactical+Messenger+Bag

plus — http://www.amazon.com/Maxpedition-Holster-Ambidextrous-Universal-Pistol/dp/B004IZWN5S/ref=sr_1_2?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1358101931&sr=1-2&keywords=Maxpedition+Universal+CCW+Holster+%28Black%29

Agree about the “very even handed, polite and considerate” Tom, whom I’ve enjoyed for years.... first in Sacramento and then after he moved to the big city with a bigger audience. Tom is good folks.

http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/6.1/gun_facts_6_1_screen.pdf

EXTRACTS:

MYTH: Guns are not a good deterrent to crime

FACT: Guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year or 6,849 every day.[120] Often the gun is never fired and no blood (including the criminal’s) is shed.

FACT: Every day 550 rapes, 1,100 murders, and 5,200 other violent crimes are prevented just by showing a gun. In less than 0.9% of these instances is the gun ever actually fired.[122]

...................
[120] Targeting Guns, Dr. Gary Kleck, Criminologist, Florida State University, Aldine, 1997
[122] Ibid

——————AND:

MYTH: Citizens are too incompetent to use guns for protection

FACT: About 11% of police shootings kill an innocent person - about 2% of shootings by citizens kill an innocent person. The odds of a defensive gun user killing an innocent person are less than 1 in 26,000 [198] despite American citizens using guns to prevent crimes almost 2,500,000 times every year.
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[198] Shall Issue: The New Wave of Concealed Handgun Permit Laws, C. Cramer, and D. Kopel, Independence Institute Issue Paper. October 17, 1994

——————AND:

MYTH: Private ownership of guns is not effective in preventing crime

FACT: Every year, people in the United States use guns to defend themselves against criminals an estimated 2,500,000 times – more than 6,500 people a day, or once every 13 seconds.[243] Of these instances, 15.7% of the people using firearms defensively stated that they “almost certainly” saved their lives by doing so. Firearms are used 60 times more often to protect lives than to take lives.

FACT: The number of times per year an American uses a firearm to deter a home invasion alone is 498,000.[244]

FACT: In 83.5% (2,087,500) of these successful gun defenses, the attacker either threatened or used force first, proving that guns are very well suited for self-defense.

FACT: The rate of defensive gun use is six times that of criminal gun use.[245]

FACT: Of the 2,500,000 times citizens use guns to defend themselves, 92% merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers.

FACT: Less than 8% of the time does a citizen wound his or her attacker, and in less than one in a thousand instances is the attacker killed.[246]

FACT: In one local review of firearm homicide, more than 12% were civilian legal defensive homicides.[247]

FACT: For every accidental death (802), suicide (16,869) or homicide (11,348)[248] with a firearm (29,019), 13 lives (390,000)[249] are preserved through defensive use.
[243]

FACT: When using guns in self-defense, 91.1% of the time not a single shot is fired.[250]

FACT: After the implementation of Canada’s 1977 gun controls prohibiting handgun possession for protection, the “breaking and entering” crime rate rose 25%, surpassing the American rate.[251]

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[243] Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, Kleck and Gertz, Fall 1995
[244] Estimating intruder-related firearm retrievals in U.S. households, 1994. Robin M. Ikeda , Violence and Victims, Winter 1997
[245] Crime statistics: Bureau of Justice Statistics - National Crime Victimization Survey (2005). DGU statistics: Targeting Guns, Kleck (average of 15 major surveys where DGUs were reported)
[246] Targeting Guns, Kleck, from the National Self-Defense Survey, 1995
[247] Death by Gun: One Year Later, Time Magazine, May 14, 1990
[248] Unintentional Firearm Deaths, 2001, U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Center for Injury Prevention and Control
[249] Targeting Guns, Gary Kleck, Aldine de Gruyter, 1997
[250] National Crime Victimization Survey, 2000
[251] Residential Burglary: A Comparison of the United States, Canada and England and Wales, Pat Mayhew, National Institute of Justice., Wash., D.C., 1987

http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/6.1/gun_facts_6_1_screen.pdf

EXTRACTS:

MYTH: Guns are not a good deterrent to crime

FACT: Guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year or 6,849 every day.[120] Often the gun is never fired and no blood (including the criminal’s) is shed.

FACT: Every day 550 rapes, 1,100 murders, and 5,200 other violent crimes are prevented just by showing a gun. In less than 0.9% of these instances is the gun ever actually fired.[122]

...................
[120] Targeting Guns, Dr. Gary Kleck, Criminologist, Florida State University, Aldine, 1997
[122] Ibid

——————AND:

MYTH: Citizens are too incompetent to use guns for protection

FACT: About 11% of police shootings kill an innocent person - about 2% of shootings by citizens kill an innocent person. The odds of a defensive gun user killing an innocent person are less than 1 in 26,000 [198] despite American citizens using guns to prevent crimes almost 2,500,000 times every year.
..................
[198] Shall Issue: The New Wave of Concealed Handgun Permit Laws, C. Cramer, and D. Kopel, Independence Institute Issue Paper. October 17, 1994

——————AND:

MYTH: Private ownership of guns is not effective in preventing crime

FACT: Every year, people in the United States use guns to defend themselves against criminals an estimated 2,500,000 times – more than 6,500 people a day, or once every 13 seconds.[243] Of these instances, 15.7% of the people using firearms defensively stated that they “almost certainly” saved their lives by doing so. Firearms are used 60 times more often to protect lives than to take lives.

FACT: The number of times per year an American uses a firearm to deter a home invasion alone is 498,000.[244]

FACT: In 83.5% (2,087,500) of these successful gun defenses, the attacker either threatened or used force first, proving that guns are very well suited for self-defense.

FACT: The rate of defensive gun use is six times that of criminal gun use.[245]

FACT: Of the 2,500,000 times citizens use guns to defend themselves, 92% merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers.

FACT: Less than 8% of the time does a citizen wound his or her attacker, and in less than one in a thousand instances is the attacker killed.[246]

FACT: In one local review of firearm homicide, more than 12% were civilian legal defensive homicides.[247]

FACT: For every accidental death (802), suicide (16,869) or homicide (11,348)[248] with a firearm (29,019), 13 lives (390,000)[249] are preserved through defensive use.
[243]

FACT: When using guns in self-defense, 91.1% of the time not a single shot is fired.[250]

FACT: After the implementation of Canada’s 1977 gun controls prohibiting handgun possession for protection, the “breaking and entering” crime rate rose 25%, surpassing the American rate.[251]

..................
[243] Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, Kleck and Gertz, Fall 1995
[244] Estimating intruder-related firearm retrievals in U.S. households, 1994. Robin M. Ikeda , Violence and Victims, Winter 1997
[245] Crime statistics: Bureau of Justice Statistics - National Crime Victimization Survey (2005). DGU statistics: Targeting Guns, Kleck (average of 15 major surveys where DGUs were reported)
[246] Targeting Guns, Kleck, from the National Self-Defense Survey, 1995
[247] Death by Gun: One Year Later, Time Magazine, May 14, 1990
[248] Unintentional Firearm Deaths, 2001, U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Center for Injury Prevention and Control
[249] Targeting Guns, Gary Kleck, Aldine de Gruyter, 1997
[250] National Crime Victimization Survey, 2000
[251] Residential Burglary: A Comparison of the United States, Canada and England and Wales, Pat Mayhew, National Institute of Justice., Wash., D.C., 1987

“Nevada has been the toughest nut for us to crack, but having said all of that, we’re still within a couple of points in Nevada.

WTF is wrong with Nevada??”

California fallout. After liberals ruined that state, they move here to Las Vegas to pee in our pool. Clark County has gone blue over the years. Lots of retirees move here to avoid state income taxes. They keep on voting Democratic .... slow learners, I guess. Also, Harry Reid and his union cronies have a GOTV program second to none.

Just got back from seeing the film. Noon showing, about 90 percent full of mostly older folk. It got applause at the end.

Go to Fry’s and check their legal documents software. For most folks, that’s all you need. Just follow the directions.

“The victim in this case clearly wanted police confrontation, since he had the means to record it. “

Well, not so obvious. If you open carry your defensive weapon, you should also carry your recorder for crap like this. Many of us here in Las Vegas carry both, and the police are getting to know we do. That helps keep the line drawn right.

Perhaps the “seems intimidated by the recoil” needs a bit more thought. I’d be reluctant to unnecessarily compromise the primary purpose of self-protection. To me, the .45 ACP is the very best defensive round.

For a lightweight carry weapon, consider the Glock 36. It’s one of the lightest (unloaded) firearms on the market. Gotta love the Glock’s point-and-shoot simplicity, reliability, and durability.

For those with small hands, it uses a single-stack magazine. I recommend adding the magazine extender, which gives you a better grip; otherwise, your pinky finger hangs loose. You only get 8 rounds (6+1+1) to carry, BUT you get a very lightweight carry weapon; and, after all, how many rounds are you realistically/probably/likely going to need?

It’s really about trade-offs. Getting used to the recoil may be your best overall choice.