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Maybe he is going to hear the special speaker.....

The forum resumes September 19 at 10:00 a.m. Speaking on Prospects for the Two- State Solution in the Mideast will be Ziad Asali, M.D., Founder and President, American Task Force on Palestine.

http://www.stjohns-dc.org/article.php?id=41

I Only Want to Be With You

Loved that song.

What is the harm in taking something meant for pagan purposes and turning it around to uplift Jesus Christ as Savior? Make lemonade out of lemons. It's a brilliant strategy.

It doesn’t sound like a bad idea to Christianize paganism until it is discovered that the Word of God specifically forbids it over and over again throughout the Bible. For example: “Learn not the way of the heathen...for the customs of the people are vain...” (Jeremiah 10:2,3). “Take heed...that thou inquire not after their gods saying, How did these nations serve their gods? Even so will I do likewise.” (Deut. 12:30) “...Abstain from pollutions of idols” (Acts 15:20). As Alexander Hislop brings out in The Two Babylons, “The tendency on the part of Christians to meet paganism half way was very early developed. Tertullian, about the year 230, bitterly lamented the inconsistency of the disciples of Christ in this respect and contrasted it with the strict fidelity of the pagans to their own superstition: ‘By us, says he, ‘who are strangers to (Jewish) Sabbaths, and new moons, and festivals, once acceptable to God, the Saturnalia, the feasts of January, the Brumalia, and Matronalia are now frequented, gifts are carried to and fro, new year’s day presents are made with din, and sports and banquets are celebrated with uproar; oh how much more faithful are the heathen to their religion, who take special care to adopt no solemnity from the Christians.’”

More on the birth of Jesus/Yeshua and Bible Chronology:

http://www.torahtimes.org/book/
(see page 44: The Birth of Messiah)

“Revelation 12:1-3 gives a wondrous astronomical
sign for the date of Yeshua’s birth. It is a sign in heaven (cf.
Genesis 1:14). The text speaks of a woman clothed in the sun
with the moon under her feet. This sun-clothed woman with
the moon under her feet is when the sun moved into the constellation
of Virgo, and the moon was under its feet. The sun
only moves into that part of the heavens in September and the
moon under Virgo’s feet restricts the timing even further.
This synchronism happened on September 11, 3 B.C.,
the new moon day for the 7th month, which is Yom Teruah.
This Revelation synchronism certainly refutes the winter
Christmas tradition, and it has long been known from other
details that the birth was in the fall, and not in the winter.

After his birth, Miryam and Yosef stayed
near Jerusalem until Yeshua had been circumcised and
Miryam’s 40 days of purification were completed (Luke 2:39).
Then they returned to Nazareth. However, they must have
moved back to Bethlehem later before the arrival of the wise
men in December of 2 B.C. The star of Bethlehem would be
the great Venus-Jupiter conjunction, June 17th, 2 B.C. After leaving the conjunction, Jupiter is seen from Jerusalem as stopping over Bethlehem when it enters into retrograde motion. After this, they fled to Egypt.”

Jesus was born on September 11, 3 BCE according to the research of Ernest L. Martin. This means He was conceived in December.....probably at Hanukkah since He came as “the Light of the World.”

Very interesting video, audio, book online here:

http://www.askelm.com/star/index.asp

Hi Diego,

But what about some of the sabbatwn verses that do not seem to refer to a “special sabbath”? These are the verses Avery mentioned;

Matthew - 12:2 24:20
Luke - 6:1 6:6 6:7 13:15 14:1 14:3
John - 5:16 7:22 7:23
Acts - 13:44

I could not understand “special sabbath” in all of them. Should we understand all these sabbaths to be “counting to Shavuot” sabbaths or some other kind of special sabbath?

Shalom,

Renah

Diego, please spell it out to me how you see Sabbatwn as “special sabbath” in all cases of its use and not just a reference to the plural. I looked up the Scriptures Steven Avery listed at CARM and could see your point in most cases, but not all. I am having trouble grasping this. Or have you modified your position?

Thanks for your help.

Shalom,

Renah

Correction:

Poorly written sentence above. Sorry. Should say:

A clean break with paganism is required according to the 4 prohibitions of the Acts 15 Jerusalem Council.

Shalom,

Renah

Hello Jay,

Has that “Torah observant Lutheran minister” given up the celebration of Christmas yet? Just wondering, especially since a clean break with paganism is one of the prohibitions of the Acts 15 Jerusalem Council (the minimum required for table fellowship with Jews).

If Sunday was the day of Resurrection, why would this not be the primary reason given for the switch from Sabbath to Sunday in Church history? Why were various reasons tossed out like “trial balloons” for the change to the “Venerable Day of the Sun” (as it was known), ......the primary reason being to establish Church authority in distinction from “all things Jewish.”

Even though Samuele Bacchiocchi believed in a Sunday resurrection, his research in “From Sabbath to Sunday” includes several smoking guns. Maybe he could only go so far in bucking the system and still get his book published, especially with a Vatican imprimitur on it!

Shalom,

Renah

My favorite show of all time returns?!

or at least the ninth hour was when He died. So he would have had to be buried before nightfall(the start of Thur)

Dan's chronology is a Wednesday crucifixion (12 noon- 3pm), burial before sundown. After sundown, the High Sabbath (Thursday) would begin.

Shalom, Renah

The NT speaks volumes about the law. While we, as Christians, are no longer bound to the law, Christ says, "If you love me, you will keep my commandments."

How does one know one loves God? When one is walking in His commandments. That is also in the NT. What is most important to understand is that the NT also says, over and over, that the LETTER of the law is death. It is the SPIRIT of the law that is good. I think that is what must be emphasized... And that is not only the "Big 10".

As to the Holy Days, The Sabbath is obvious. From creation, it was to be kept FOREVER. As to the rest, The Feast of Tabernacles will be held after the return of Christ, according to the Prophecy, and all the nations of the world will keep it - on pain of rain being withheld from their land.

That means that at least two Holy Days will be kept, as the feast of Tabernacles will be kept, and the 17th of Tammuz (a fast) will become a feast day. So if two are to be continued into the millennium...

Those who suggest that the Holy Days were fulfilled in Christ should remember Col 2:

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

It would seem therefore, that the purpose for the Holy Days remain. The are kept as a remembrance of things past, but also for their prophetic portent. They are shadows of things to COME - And this was written long after Christ's ascension. They are important.

Great post! I think you are on the right path. I can relate to your thoughts.

Shalom, Renah

A Wednesday crucifixion is more persuasive being that on Friday He would have been taken down before sunset for the Sabbath. This, after having declared his work "finished". Thus, He would have "rested from his work (earthly)" on the seventh day, as God also rested on the seventh day after creation. In addition, consider days 4,5,& 6 of creation(the three days) before God's day of rest on the 7th---it was the 4th day of creation the sun (the great light to give light by day) appeared. Christ refereed to himself as the day, but, referring to his departure, said the night cometh. The lesser light, the moon, rules by night. The moon has no light of itself but reflects the light of the sun as the church reflects the glory of Christ in His absence. There are theologians, Jewish and Christian, that relate the days of creation as being symbolic of 1000 year periods. If such were the case, after about 4000yrs Christ would appear as the sun did on the 4th day (symbolism)then, 2 days later (2000yrs) would bring us to about where we are now (the years as we know them by our calendars today are not perfectly accurate. Neither do we know of a certainty all the points that new ages would begin and end by God's timetable, ie. Christ's birth or death?) Are we at the end of a 6000yr period (6days)wherein God's work on earth will be complete and I believe there is great symbolism in everything written in the Bible and created. Once we grasp the keys we can understand some of the deep hidden things that the worldly minded would view as utter nonsense................. .............................................................. Good post. Hope you will follow the Sabbath Resurrection discussion at the other thread......it all fits together, and yes, we are at almost the 6000 years corresponding with the six days of Creation.

To me when I see that many (almost 50%) of the biblical scholars of the recent centuries say the same thing, which is oposite of what you are saying, then I feel like they know their language better than you do. I trust them more than a person on the internet. (No offense intended)............................. Are you a follower of men? or of the truth wherever it leads? Some of the best scholars are Jesuits. Should you trust them? Should you trust the scholars at MJTI? Scary............................. Shalom, Tandi

Do you reject all Bible truth you come across unless you agree with the author 100%? Have you ever read a book by someone you did not completely agree with and found many nuggets of truth? Have you ever put topics you do not understand or have not thoroughly researched for yourself on the back burner for later study?

Please state your beliefs in full so I know whether to take heed to anything you say...... or write you off as a cult of one.

Shalom,

Tandi

Love your latest chart, Dan! (Contrived Friday-Sunday Scenario) : )

Hi Dan,

My home page is set on FreeRepublic News/Activism. Just noticed this thread on the main page! You are front page headlines at this moment in time. : )

Shalom,

Renah

Hi Dan,

My home page is set on FreeRepublic News/Activism. Just noticed this thread on the main page! You are front page headlines at this moment in time. : )

Shalom,

Renah

>>You are right there is no requirement for salvation other than believing in our Messiah....PERIOD.<<

What is your understanding of the basic Gospel message? You are not one of the easy-believism advocates, are you?

Join the fray over at the “Does the Church Teach Two Gospels?” thread and see what passes for understanding the Gospel these days. No wonder we get these misunderstandings about dietary laws, relevance of Sabbath, etc. The basic Gospel message is not even understood, and repentance from sin is not even considered relevant! Some do not think the NT even mentions repentance from sin! Biblical illiteracy is at an all time high.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2370650/posts

Shalom,

Renah

>>There is nowhere in the NT that says Repent of your sins it is not there.<<

Mat 9:13 But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Mar 2:17 When Jesus heard [it], he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Luk 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

The call to repentance from sin may not be in your modern version (NIV, etc.) but it is in the KJV and the Greek manuscripts that back it (TR).