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Trump proposes car-mileage rollback; states sue in protest
Associated Press ^ | Aug. 02, 2018 7:11 PM EDT | Ellen Knickmeyer and Tom Krisher

Posted on 08/02/2018 6:06:11 PM PDT by Olog-hai

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To: E. Pluribus Unum
"I want little pickups back."

So does my wife. Me, I want the Crown Vic back.

21 posted on 08/02/2018 6:36:32 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: Nuc 1.1
CAFE Standards is why most of us can’t afford a real car.

Your larger point (which is absolutely correct) is that the cost of all these federal regulations and compliance costs put new cars out of the reach of far too many.

It's not just the CAFE standards. We can go all the way back to catalytic converters becoming mandatory along with 5mph bumpers (anyone remember those?!) as the point where the FedGov massively intervened to drive the cost of a product up exponentially, regulating the piss out of it and making it so the average joe can't buy a new car anymore.

22 posted on 08/02/2018 6:37:59 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: redfreedom

I had a full size Chevy 15 passenger van with a 460 and got in the high 20s mpg. My son wrecked it, and I replaced it with a lighter duty and a 350. The smaller engine only got into the teens and the power curve was non-existent.

Bigger is often better and they’re are significant reasons to develop large vehicles. I never could figure why larger vehicles weren’t first on the hybrid path—trains proved the value of that technology the last century...


23 posted on 08/02/2018 6:38:40 PM PDT by antidisestablishment ( Xenophobia is the only sane response to multiculturalismÂ’s irrational cultural exuberance)
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To: Olog-hai

If you get away from the CAFE standards, the automakers won’t have to build the little shitboxes nobody wants.


24 posted on 08/02/2018 6:40:28 PM PDT by wjcsux (The hyperventilating of the left means we are winning! (Tagline courtesy of Laz.))
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To: Uncle Miltie

Under today’s standards,most vehicles are probably running fairly efficiently. Some very desirable vehicles are no longer produced for no good reasons except the EPA’s upcoming standards. I think the president did the right thing & now maybe the auto industry(if they want to) can get back to building something practical that will sell even if it doesn’t get 50 mpg. Might as well forget about producing anything that will live up to California’s crazy standards,especially in upcoming years. They want to go all-electric anyway,thinking that will solve all their problems.


25 posted on 08/02/2018 6:47:33 PM PDT by oldtech
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To: Rashputin

Bring back the big classic LTD.


26 posted on 08/02/2018 7:00:03 PM PDT by wally_bert (Just call me Angelo or babe.)
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To: antidisestablishment

Your large vehicle would now likely be exempt from CAFE standards. “Large Trucks” etc. don’t have mpg stickers on them for that reason. They are not part of the equation.


27 posted on 08/02/2018 7:01:39 PM PDT by onona (It is often wise to allow a person a graceful path.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

The ‘safety’ issue emerges from the sensors and engine control conputers that try to meet emissions and fuel standards by precisely matching temp, spark, fuel injection, to burn as clean and efficiently as possible.

But sensors (cam shaft, crank position, misfire, ignition, ma airflow. coolant temp, etc.) WEAR OUT and the ECM (engine control computer modules) can malfunction over time.

So say an owner is sure to get such a car to the shop for regular checkups, that should ensure safety right?

No.

These parts, when they go out, tend to go out in the same time frame and mechanics (the honest ones) use electronic computer scanners to diagnose problems which don’t always detect parts that are degrading.

Well then, why not have a state law that requires an OVERHAUL of all such sensors?

In that case, you might as well as get another vehicle.

So what kind of safety incidents can be seen with these aging computerized death traps?

One example is where say the Max Airflow Sensor starts acting up, malfunctioning. You’re on the freeway driving freeway speeds. The engine rpms start doing weird things and the car dies, engine shuts off. Meanwhile, as you’re slowing down there are cars whizzing past you and you’re trying to coast to the shoulder. You’re in trouble, big trouble. And with the engine not starting, you have no hydraulic assist so steering and braking are a nightmare.

If the President indeed did propose a rollback on unsafe regulations, keeping in mind this is the Associated Press pukes that are writing this slop, I would bet the President also proposed increasing safety standards when it comes to engine reliability. The President is not stupid. If he’s getting reports of accidents and unsafe incidents resulting from ‘computerized’ vehicles that are aging, it must be an emerging trend. I would bet it’s emerging because of the sheer number of aging cars that are computerized and are a danger because their sensors and computers are going bad.


28 posted on 08/02/2018 7:01:43 PM PDT by Hostage (Article V (Proud Member of the Deranged Q Fringe))
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29 posted on 08/02/2018 7:03:29 PM PDT by musicman (The future is just a collection of successive nows.)
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To: Olog-hai

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qhR8GZ_WWMM


30 posted on 08/02/2018 7:04:03 PM PDT by capecodder
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To: Olog-hai
We are at about the limit on MPG for internal combustion engine vehicles unless we make them out of cardboard.
 
31 posted on 08/02/2018 7:06:47 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (MAGA in the mornin', MAGA in the evenin', MAGA at suppertime . . .)
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To: Hostage

That would be MASS airflow sensor. To use to mix in a proper mass of fuel.


32 posted on 08/02/2018 7:14:30 PM PDT by Paladin2 (no spelchek, no problem...)
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To: Olog-hai

Cut back on government charges to citizens?

Blasphemy!


33 posted on 08/02/2018 7:23:46 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: heshtesh

“I like the big pig I drive now just fine.”

But why are the manufacturers prohibited from producing simple small ones?


34 posted on 08/02/2018 7:27:59 PM PDT by alternatives? (Why have an army if there are no borders?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I was lamenting that also recently.

I had a Toyota SR-5 longbed, loved that truck , small trucks today are not small.


35 posted on 08/02/2018 7:28:21 PM PDT by phormer phrog phlyer
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To: heshtesh

i don’t believe my 2010 titan is even legal to sell in CA i love it


36 posted on 08/02/2018 7:31:08 PM PDT by rebel25 (GOD, Family, guns, and duck hunting, everything else is just noise.)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

“We are at about the limit on MPG for internal combustion engine vehicles unless we make them out of cardboard.”

Mazda is developing a gas engine that operates like a diesel. However, big brother has already selected electric for everyone.


37 posted on 08/02/2018 7:31:41 PM PDT by alternatives? (Why have an army if there are no borders?)
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To: alternatives?

But why are the manufacturers prohibited from producing simple small ones?

That is not a fact that I am aware of, I have recently heard word of a new Ranger coming along.


38 posted on 08/02/2018 7:32:10 PM PDT by heshtesh
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To: SaxxonWoods

Arrogance of these fools.


39 posted on 08/02/2018 7:38:56 PM PDT by Phillyred
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To: wally_bert

Maybe Cadillac could actually start making Cadillacs again? Just a silly dream.


40 posted on 08/02/2018 7:39:39 PM PDT by Phillyred
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