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Trump proposes car-mileage rollback; states sue in protest
Associated Press ^ | Aug. 02, 2018 7:11 PM EDT | Ellen Knickmeyer and Tom Krisher

Posted on 08/02/2018 6:06:11 PM PDT by Olog-hai

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To: alternatives?

It’s ‘gentlemen’s agreement’, and it’s backed up by a 25% tariff on imported pickups.

Starting at around 212”, the new Ford Ranger will not be small by any historic or world standards. An F150 is available about the same size.


41 posted on 08/02/2018 7:41:10 PM PDT by jjotto (Next week, BOOM!, for sure!)
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To: Phillyred

I miss the ‘59 Buick Roadmaster.


42 posted on 08/02/2018 7:42:05 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Gone but not forgiven.)
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To: montag813

I think it would be awesome Trump makes them sue left and right, as it is less dollar for other leftist projects


43 posted on 08/02/2018 7:46:08 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Phillyred

AP finally gets to one of the aims of the Trump admin:

“According to Trump administration estimates, the Obama fuel efficiency standards would raise the price of vehicles by an average of $2,340. That would price many buyers out of the new-vehicle market, forcing them to drive older, less-safe vehicles that pollute more, the administration says.”

BUT then leaves it until the final line of the piece to admit:

“In 2012, when the standards were first adopted, cars were about 50 percent of new-vehicle sales. Now they’re only about one-third, with less-efficient trucks and SUVS making up the rest.”


44 posted on 08/02/2018 7:47:24 PM PDT by MAGAthon
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To: wally_bert

Someone tell that ignorant idiot journalist that the EPA standards are made by big oil companies and consume more

Ever since I got rid of my DPF my truck nearly doubled MpG from 15-17 to a whopping 25-30

Some global warming issue , bull sht


45 posted on 08/02/2018 7:48:27 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: antidisestablishment

How did you get a 460 in a Chevy? Only way would be a 383 stroker. Just saying, I’m pretty sure you meant a 454. The 460 was Fords big block.


46 posted on 08/02/2018 7:56:54 PM PDT by GunHoardingCapitalist (The dumber society becomes, the wiser i am in their eyes.)
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To: Olog-hai

Trump is right!

CAFE kills. Screw mpg, I want a lot of metal around my family and me.

BTW, the number one killer on the highways is inert objects (trees, bridge abuttments, jersey walls, ditches, etc.). If you are in a plastic subcompact, I dont like your chances.


47 posted on 08/02/2018 8:02:56 PM PDT by joshua c (To disrupt the system, we must disrupt our lives. Do nothing, they win and we lose.)
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To: wally_bert

Bring back land yachts like the Crown Victoria.


48 posted on 08/02/2018 8:17:00 PM PDT by setha (England: Once great, now lost to the Diversity Deviants & Mohammedans.)
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To: Phillyred

And Buick wouldn’t just be a mix of warmed over Opels, Daewoos, and Chinese imports.


49 posted on 08/02/2018 8:18:22 PM PDT by setha (England: Once great, now lost to the Diversity Deviants & Mohammedans.)
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To: wally_bert

There you go, that’s what those extra engineers can work on instead of fuel economy.


50 posted on 08/02/2018 8:33:57 PM PDT by bigbob (Trust Sessions. Trust the Plan.)
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To: Olog-hai

I drove a 2018 Chevy Cruze across the country these past two weeks.

I topped out at 60mpg, averaged 40 and it’s 0-60 time could rival my 1984 Subaru wagon.

1.4 liter turbo, still available with a manual.

But seriously, to get the emissions and mpg standards it shuts off the engine at stop lights. And then it shakes to life with a very disturbing shudder. It bucks. It was an auto transmission and IT BUCKS. But it’s a 6 speed CVT. Also, it eats all 6 gears before 40mph with the pedal mostly floored.

And floor it you must. The car was like driving with the e-brake on. But the engine has less displacement than my 86 CRX which also got about 50mpg but with less than half the weight.

Now GM and Ford both say they are stopping production and sales of “cars” in the US. Switching over to icon-only cars and SUV/trucks.


51 posted on 08/02/2018 8:51:33 PM PDT by Celerity
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To: Hostage

I have never heard of a MAF sensor causing such an issue at freeway speeds. at idle is another story. My older Fords all have/had precalibrated default data inside it can fall back on, in the event a sensor failed. Newer stuff has so many sensors that often times they can guess what data they need regardless of a failed sensor.


52 posted on 08/02/2018 8:52:38 PM PDT by SPDSHDW (Ever onward.)
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To: Hostage

I have never heard of a MAF sensor causing such an issue at freeway speeds. at idle is another story. My older Fords all have/had precalibrated default data inside it can fall back on, in the event a sensor failed. Newer stuff has so many sensors that often times they can guess what data they need regardless of a failed sensor.


53 posted on 08/02/2018 8:52:39 PM PDT by SPDSHDW (Ever onward.)
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To: redfreedom

“Never again will I have a small truck.”

Here here.

I loved my old Toyotas. But they were for roads where people passed other people at 60mph. Mine got anywhere from 30 to 20 (2wd truck or my very, very heavy 4Runner) mpg. But then the gas changed.

Last I drove one was in 2010. It would get about 10 mpg and barely get out of it’s own way. The engine was perfect - the 22RE with 120k on it was barely broken in.

The gas today is utter garbage. If we were running 1980 fuels in the 2018 cars they would be getting about 200mpg and have about 200hp without a sweat.


54 posted on 08/02/2018 8:53:57 PM PDT by Celerity
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To: GunHoardingCapitalist

You’re probably right. Actually I just looked it up. It was a 496 L18 engine—the van was a 1-ton extended wheelbase loaded up with every option. At the time, it was our family car and we used every seat.

I’m not particular about manufacturers, and I’ve had decent cars of all sorts, but that vehicle was really nice; however, I’ll never buy another GM product. Maybe a Tesla next—just kidding. God bless and goodnight!


55 posted on 08/02/2018 8:54:08 PM PDT by antidisestablishment ( Xenophobia is the only sane response to multiculturalismÂ’s irrational cultural exuberance)
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To: Paladin2

Thanks for the correction.


56 posted on 08/02/2018 9:19:03 PM PDT by Hostage (Article V (Proud Member of the Deranged Q Fringe))
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To: reg45

The Buick I miss is my 1980 Riviera.


57 posted on 08/02/2018 9:20:00 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

” I want little pickups back.”


I want rolling living rooms powered by 7 liter, dual-quad hemi engines.


58 posted on 08/02/2018 9:29:18 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: SPDSHDW

Yes you’re right, MAFs are a problem at idle mostly, but I’m told can be a factor in stalling while accelerating or decelerating.

Here’s what a friend, who is a self-taught mechanic, and a very good one (he got frustrated with mechanic shops ripping everyone) found on my neighbor’s car, Kia Sedona 2009 I think. The car would start and sometimes not start. When it did start it would idle high, then it would stall when put in gear. After a while, the car would start at normal idle and run but would stall in traffic. Then it would not start. It might be a wait of 15 minutes to a few hours before starting again.

The neighbor had just about every sensor changed.

So my friend looks at it and checked fuel pressure, spark, coils, and used some starter fuel on one test. He also checked relays, fuses, and connections.

He disconnected the MAF electronic plug to the MAF body and the car started but caused a lot of noxious exhaust. He said this was normal as it was running rich. He let it run until it came up to normal temp and it continued running. He said the MAF needed to be replaced.

After that I lost track of what was done. I think the MAF replacement fixed it.

Maybe you have insight as to what else might be looked at.

In the process I learned (I was an engineer in an earlier stage of life) that auto engineers have had to jump through a lot of hoops to have their engine designs meet fuel and emission standards.

So the thing I understand is there are a lot of vehicles on the road with a lot of life in their engines, drive trains, transmissions, electrical. But a lot of these vehicles are breaking down from computer controls and sensors going out. The problems are not obvious. They could be several things.

I would hope that newer models have computers, controls and sensors that last longer than other essential parts. Because these control systems can shut a car down in a dangerous situation.

My sense is the electronic and computer controls of today’s vehicles have sacrificed safety for emission/fuel compliance. Or maybe the industry just hasn’t had sufficient time shaking out computer technologies on today’s vehicles?


59 posted on 08/02/2018 9:41:11 PM PDT by Hostage (Article V (Proud Member of the Deranged Q Fringe))
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To: Olog-hai

winning


60 posted on 08/02/2018 10:18:09 PM PDT by robowombat (Orthodox)
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