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Trump proposes car-mileage rollback; states sue in protest
Associated Press ^ | Aug. 02, 2018 7:11 PM EDT | Ellen Knickmeyer and Tom Krisher

Posted on 08/02/2018 6:06:11 PM PDT by Olog-hai

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To: wally_bert

Ring back the 50s 60s and 70s
Those were REAL CARS


61 posted on 08/02/2018 11:33:32 PM PDT by Truthoverpower (The guvmint you get is the Trump winning express !)
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To: Hostage

Measuring the msss instead of the volume helos to correct the air-fuel ratio for the differing air densities with altitude and temperature.


62 posted on 08/02/2018 11:48:47 PM PDT by Paladin2 (no spelchek, no problem...)
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To: joshua c
BTW, the number one killer on the highways is inert objects (trees, bridge abuttments, jersey walls, ditches, etc.).

I will argue that if you are hitting that stuff 90%+ of the time you are no longer on the road and the biggest safety problem with your car is between the seat and the steering wheel.

63 posted on 08/03/2018 2:38:22 AM PDT by Fraxinus (My opinion, worth what you paid.)
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To: wally_bert

The LUV was an Isuzu pickup.

It wasn’t very good.


64 posted on 08/03/2018 2:43:54 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: alternatives?

They aren’t. Nobody was buying them.


65 posted on 08/03/2018 2:44:39 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: heshtesh

The new Ranger is a high tech *mid size* pickup the size of the 80s and 90s full size F-150.


66 posted on 08/03/2018 2:45:24 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: heshtesh

“I want little pickups back”

So do the hundreds of not thousands of Hispanic landscapers / Lawn Mowering Companies in So Cal. All of them are driving beat up old Toyotas, Nissan’s and Ford small pickups from the 80’s and 90’s. There are no longer any cheap small alternatives. Tacomas and Frontiers are hardly small nor will be the new reintroduced Ranger.


67 posted on 08/03/2018 4:05:37 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: Celerity

We had a 1990 Geo, a Chevy made by Suzuki.

It would get 40 - 50 mpg. Absolutely unbelievable. So we bought a brand new 1999 Geo and it had to struggle to get 35 mpg.


68 posted on 08/03/2018 4:06:39 AM PDT by redfreedom (Gun control has proven success! (Such as in Hitler's Germany & Stalin's Russia))
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To: Uncle Miltie

“The result, opponents say, will be dirtier air and more pollution-related illness and death.”

Hyperbole much!


69 posted on 08/03/2018 4:10:34 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys-Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat-But they know what's best for you.)
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To: Olog-hai

Want better gas mileage...get rid of ethanol.

Why not sue to drop ethanol?


70 posted on 08/03/2018 4:12:45 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys-Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat-But they know what's best for you.)
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To: redfreedom

The first was so light because it lacked the necessary safety gear. Those crash regulations got rid of everything: Convertibles, sporty hatchbacks, you name it. Those designs became so difficult to make that no one really makes them anymore.

I have a 2003 Suburban as my daily driver, and I took a Cruze on the trip. The visibility from the Cruze is so bad because of the amount of steel in the body that it needs a backup camera. I have a backup camera in my Suburban (that I put there myself).

It’s actually just as hard to maneuver that Cruze as it is the Suburban. Visibility simply sucks in the Cruze. Again, the new safety regulations lead to a broad change in vehicle bodies that now a reverse camera is required in all cars 2017 and newer.

The new Colorado is the S10 replacement. It’s as large and as difficult to see out the back as the old Avalanches which were criticized throughout the world as being a terrible design. Now everything is tough to see out of.

But good looking ! Today’s cars and trucks are simply beautiful.


71 posted on 08/03/2018 4:22:04 AM PDT by Celerity
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To: Rashputin

when the Crown Vic was around I rented those cars on out of town business.

best value in big cars IMO.


72 posted on 08/03/2018 4:39:55 AM PDT by ChiMark (America America)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“I want little pickups back.”

I loved my mid 1980s Chevy S-10. It had 176,000 miles on it when I finally got rid of it.

L


73 posted on 08/03/2018 4:52:15 AM PDT by Lurker (President Trump isn't our last chance. President Trump is THEIR last chance.)
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To: N. Theknow

There’s a gas station that sells ethanol-free gas about 12 miles away from me, interestingly enough.


74 posted on 08/03/2018 6:09:39 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Hostage

I just got rid of my 2006 Jag S Type but a few years ago I’d go out to start it and get pulled out of the garage and a red engine light would come on and it would die. Not the check engine light but a light that meant you’re in deep kimchee. Mechanic told me it was the mass air flow sensor. I finally took it to the dealer and they couldn’t figure out what was wrong with it but said no, not the mass air flow sensor. Finally a couple of days later they call me and guess what it is? Friggen battery! Yep, the battery was getting ready to go and was causing the error code that everyone thought was the mass air flow sensor.


75 posted on 08/03/2018 6:09:46 AM PDT by sheana
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To: sheana

Makes me long for the old days when the cars didn’t have all the electronic crap. My cars lights came on, all of them, flickered car died, barely ran. After a week in the BMW shop they said it was a bad tire pressure sensor gauge around $250. Frankly, I prefer to visually inspect my tires and if one is losing air I can sense it driving.


76 posted on 08/03/2018 6:12:44 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: 1Old Pro

I actually like all the new stuff on cars. Makes them easier for me to maintain but if something goes wrong...… I have a new Mercedes that is totally electronic. Can’t even change the radio station manually unless you know the number on the dial to punch in. Total voice controlled. I hope she’s a good car because I dread the day something goes wrong.


77 posted on 08/03/2018 6:21:29 AM PDT by sheana
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To: Spktyr

They aren’t. Nobody was buying them.

No. EPA and safety rules mandated them out of existence.


78 posted on 08/03/2018 6:58:19 AM PDT by alternatives? (Why have an army if there are no borders?)
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To: jjotto

My understanding was there were some requirements on mileage that varied by wheelbase. Talk to an old Ranger purchaser and they aren’t happy about the new larger sized Ranger.

A Ranger used to be the price of a small cheap car. Not anymore. I think it will fail.


79 posted on 08/03/2018 7:03:29 AM PDT by alternatives? (Why have an army if there are no borders?)
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To: sheana

Yes, before my mech friend found the neighbor’s MAF defective, the neighbor had replaced the battery and the alternator. The voltages were good, steady.

All of the computer and control sensor circuits require a steady 5V which come from battery and alternator. Voltage regulators in the electronics should be keeping a constant 5V but volt regulators can go erratic over time especially with a degrading battery or alternator.

The bigger picture I see is that computers, computer circuits, computer sensors, placed on automotive engines can help fuel and emissions issues BUT ...

by placing such systems on an automotive engine and drivetrain, IT INTRODUCES LONGER TERM SAFETY CONCERNS.

My engineering brain tells me that automotive engineers should design a bypass of all electronic controls FOR SAFETY PURPOSES.

If a situation arises where a vehicle system is IN BYPASS meaning the system has determined the computer control system has a fault, then a design can be added to turn on a light inside the dash display and turn on a flashing light outside. This allows the driver to drive safely while getting the vehicle to a shop to investigate the electronic control system.

To have a vehicle shut down in hazardous conditions because of electronic malfunctions or conditions IS INTOLERABLE and especially when those systems exist to control fuel and emission performance which is a noble goal but which is secondary to safety.

Safety comes first.

I am informed that a ‘LIMP ALONG’ system is sometimes included in these control systems meaning that the vehicle can be driven a short distance but that this is related to security and not fuel/emissions and which does not resolve the safety concerns.


80 posted on 08/03/2018 7:17:52 AM PDT by Hostage (Article V (Proud Member of the Deranged Q Fringe))
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