Posted on 04/08/2016 9:02:58 PM PDT by patlin
The Donald's mom was born as a British subject in Scotland. If she had never naturalized, he cannot, by obsessive Birther standards, be NBC. No one seems interested in this question.
Comrade Grandma was born in Illinois and it may be that both of her parents were American citizens. No one seems interested (yet!) in investigating that which is necessary to her alleged eligibility as NBC under Birther standards.
Ditto as to Comrade Grandpa who was apparently born in Brooklyn, maybe of citizen parents, maybe not. No one seems to care (yet!). Comrade Grandma and Comrade Grandpa are not standing between Trump and the GOP POTUS nomination.
Now, eccentric as I am, forgive me for thinking that matters ideological that are far more important than where an American citizen was born or to whom (so long as birth was IN the United States OR to at least one citizen) disqualify Comrade Grandma, Comrade Grandpa AND The Donald. Required to choose among them, I would vote for The Donald as less objectionable than the other two, but I do think he is generally an opportunistic, untrustworthy snake and a rank ignoramus on many issues.
Cruz's mother was an American citizen at the time of his birth, is an American citizen. Trump was born in New York and his father at least was an American citizen. Comrade Grandma and Comrade Grandpa were both born here and their respective parents were not in the diplomatic corps of any foreign nation. End of controversy. BTW, recall that it was Comrade Grandma who invented this Birther crap in the first place in her clumsy failed attempt to defeat Obozo in 2008.
Also citizenship in multiple nations is allowed. I have the right as the grandchild of a British native and an Irish native have the right to claim citizenship in each of those countries without giving up my American citizenship (born in Connecticut to two American citizens). Elizabeth Taylor was British by birth, American by naturalization and Israeli by naturalization and carried all three citizenships to the day she died. Chester Arthur was apparently born to Canadian citizens in Canada.
Ted is not Catholic, much less pope. He is not infallible.
His country, your country, my country is in smoking ruins. We need a living conservative intellect to run this country and name its judges. That would be Ted Cruz of what is left. I would have preferred Scott Walker (certainly NBC even by Birther standards) but that was not to be. Cruz is the best of the rest, by far.
We need a sense of priorities and NBC ranks waaaaaaay below SCOTUS nominations, guns, military re-armament, cleansing the PC corps in the military created by Obozo, marriage, the babies, and a host of other issues on which Trump is verrrrry generously speaking, at best, on a few of them no better and on most, far inferior to Cruz. That is why The Donald's campaign and his campaign supporters do virtually nothing as to substance and instead have initiated this crap throwing contest as a way of choosing POTUS. I think too much of my country to submit to such low rent tactics.
Trump's campaign has caused very substantial damage to FR and caused permanent breaches in the relations among us. He has sowed dissent and seeks to benefit from that dissent. He does not seem to care what damage he does to the conservative movement because he was NEVER a conservative. He erected the false God of the Wall Almighty and zombiedom followed for all too many otherwise decent and sensible people.
In fairness, Trump seems trustworthy on the care of veterans, rebuilding (but not necessarily use) of the military, on guns and a few other things. He is no pro-lifer and I have never seen such clumsiness on any issue but he understands that it is the third rail of Republican politics ad will electrocute him if he strays. As Henry of Navarre said: Paris is worth a Mass.
The Donald is no more principled than Henry but he knows his place. That does not guarantee that he won't appoint disasters like John Paul Stephens or David "Swish" Souter to the SCOTUS. I want guarantees as to SCOTUS. If you actually care about the Constitution, so should you.
What does it profit a man to gain the White House but incompetently fritter away American civilization? Even if he IS a real estate billionaire and modern day P. T. Barnum?
So long as ONE parent was an American citizen, an NBC can be born on Jupiter.
Birthers are people who have nothing to advance by way of real issues to support The Donald and so they fall back on irrelevant autoslime. The distraction is more effective than nothing.
Have you heard: Ted Cruz has sexual affairs with space aliens, so did his dad. It was in the National Enquirer (owned by a Trump buddy, natch!) so it just MUST be so. Then Cruz's crown just could not refrain from publishing ancient, near nude photos of Melania before she ever knew The Donald. That's another distraction. We are choosing POTUS not Sister Superior.
Can we get to actual issues now?
BTW, The Donald's mother (born a British citizen in Scotland for those who care about such trivia) "has never gone on record one way or another about whether she had applied or been granted (American) citizenship." WHO CARES?????
Everybody said so (not really). No one denied it. It must be so. Tribe???? Tribe???? Is The Donald planning on appointing Lawrence Tribe to SCOTUS??? Tribe may teach at Harvard Law but he has REAL NY VALUES. Since you cite Tribe as an authority, that must not bother you! (She never denied it and it MUST be so if it helps The Donald).
Nor are they your areas of expertise. Levin graduated law school and practices law even with his busy schedule. How about you? It would be a start.
Let’s you and him fight! Send in the popcorn.
Epiphany!
I used to have great respect for Levin, then I woke up and realized what his true political agenda is, ... now go listen how he uses propaganda on his listeners to thwart US citizenship laws, and be sure to go read for yourself Edward Erler’s article @ Heritage on citizenship, and take note of the sections of that article that Levin purposely leaves out, evidence that destroys Levin's credibility as an unbiased interpreter of Constitutional law & A2 presidential qualifications.
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2005/12/birthright-citizenship-and-the-constitution
More proof from the Heritage Foundation that Levin either doesn't know what he is talking about, or he is purposely obfuscating the issue for political purposes
Ted’s Mom lived in the UK for 6 years and then was living in Canada with Raphael Cruz within a few months. She had a baby in London in 1966, died and buried in London in Dec 1966.
She & Raphael were in Canada by 1966 according to Raphael Cruz who left Canada in 1974 saying he had working in Canada for 8 years. So from 1960 when Eleanor Wilson nee Darragh moved to London until 1974 when she moved back to Texas, she was out of the USA for 14 years, give or take a few months. Canada had open immigration for UK citizens in the 1970’s.
A couple of problems with this post to my mind.
Trump’s Mom did become an American citizen several years before his birth and the documentation is posted online. NBC= two citizen parents born on American soil.
Ideology is certainly important in a candidate but has no bearing on qualification to run. I disagree with you on Trump’s ideology and that’s neither here nor there.
We don’t know Cruz’s Mom’s citizenship at the time of Cruz’s birth which is why its relevant that the paperwork has been hidden since the paperwork would establish that fact as well as others.
All children born abroad with a citizen parent are not eligible to be recognized as American citizens, that’s why we have Statutes and the Statutes in effect at the time of birth are defining for any particular birth circumstances.
I think that it is inaccurate and disingenuous to blame Trump for the discord and fracturing of Free Republic. Debate is often contentious and angry but it is still the only way to have an open discourse. People in America are very worried, disheartened and frightened about our Country and her future. Of course there is going to be anger. Trump, in exposing the charade of current American Government, is serving as a lightning rod but without the exposure the rot would have continued to spread.
For that service alone, for taking the heat of 100’s of million $ of attack ads, Donald Trump has stood up for America and American at great personal cost, and deserves our thanks. Without Trump there would have been business as usual in Washington, fiddle players change but the country burns.
Perfect candidate no, but Donald has enunciated the concerns of millions of Americans and many of us believe that he is the only one who even wants to attempt to build the wall, take care of the vets, get NATO & the UN working fairly, restore American sovereignty and support our true allies, restore our infrastructure, get down the debt, balance the budget, remove Obamacare and open the Health Insurance marketplace across State lines, champion HSA accounts and remove Common Core.
So pardon me if I stand with Trump because in my opinion Cruz by his actions has shown he is just one more politician, in bed with the snakes and owned by them because of the money he has accepted and the secrets he needs hidden.
IF Cruz were eligible then there is no reason why Mitch the Senate would not pass a resolution for Cruz like the Senate did for lord McCain... Occasionally Mitch the Senate does get somethings correct.
“Mitch McConnell: Why no, the Senate won’t pass a resolution affirming Cruz’s eligibility like it did for McCain”
POSTED AT 2:01 PM ON JANUARY 12, 2016 BY ALLAHPUNDIT
Actually, and factually, you are wrong. Whereas I have research which proves the meaning of natural-born citizen to at MINIMUM mean native born, you can produce nothing which refutes that. Even leftist professors concede that under the strict original meaning of the Constitution, the father would have had to have been a US citizen as well.
I have hundreds of hours of personally conducted research to support this, do you have hundreds of hours to support your claim?
Actually, Mrs. Trump was naturalized as an American citizen four years prior to Trumps birth. Her naturalization records are available online.
Don’t act a fool.
Why would you think McConnell would want to help Ted out? I think McConnell is supporting the Cruz campaign to destroy Trump and the ineligibility is a poison pill the GOPe can deploy when & if they want to. One more way to control Cruz. The resolution to support McCain was eyewash in any case. Resolutions are not binding, not law. They are position statements.
There is special circumstances related to being born in the Panama canal https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1403 but the citizenship category is citizen not natural born citizen. The Congress is only empowered to act on Naturalization so any citizenship it grants is naturalized.
Ted was not born here and his parents were not citizens he’s not an American citizen by birth he’s a foreigner and immigrant he’s not allowed to be president ever. I’m not an open borders guy I want the foreigners who are not in the process of legal education as an American citizen to be expatriated and expelled.
I’m not inclusive. I don’t trust aliens. I don’t trust new immigrants. And I don’t believe they should have the same rights as American citizens while they’re living here.
Ted is an immigrant he was born in another country OF foreign parents. He’s not presidential material in this country.
Twisting the Constitution and the meanings of words to make it somehow acceptable for him to be present just because we may like what he says is not acceptable. At least not to me.
Trump on the other hand I don’t agree with in every area, some of which you have touched on.
But he is qualified in that he is an American.
We do not have an open presidency in this nation as perhaps some other nations do. I’m an American nativist and a closed border supporter. That’s not modern and it’s not the global way of looking at things.
I know you are a very well meaning righteous God fearing one who I consider to be more global and accepting of others. You are more globalist and open borders than can allow.
We’ll see how things go. I don’t want a person who was a foreign citizen until March of 2014 as president. No foreigner as president. And that includes naturalized foreign-born individuals.
I didn’t like John McCain either for the same reason.
you’re welcome, hoosiermama!
prayers up for the ballot challengers!
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/04/04/mitch-mcconnells-attorney-pac-stand-for-truth-sending-money-to-ted-cruz-pac-keep-the-promise-iii/
Mitch McConnell’s Attorney PAC ‘Stand For Truth’, Sending Money To Ted Cruz PAC ‘Keep The Promise III’… Posted on April 4, 2016 by sundance The amount of money Washington DC is spending to attack Donald Trump and support Senator Ted Cruz is astounding.
Mitch the Senate knows Ted the Cruz is NOT eligible, but, there are other ways to help Ted via Mitch...
May 6, 2013
Meet the Most Important Ted Cruz Birther: Ted Cruz
Ted Cruz is eligible to be president under almost any reading of the Constitution—except his own
BY NOAM SCHEIBER
http://www.businessinsider.com/ted-cruz-donald-trump-birther-debate-2016-1
video of Cruz's legal skills on parade as Cruz obfuscates a simple answer ... and this was the moment Cruz poked his ugly finger in Trump's eye... It has been downhill ever since... Cruz is not nearly as smart as he thinks... Cruz mentions the senate resolution for lord McCain.
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