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The truth about Bucha is out there, but perhaps too inconvenient to be discovered
The Russia Times ^ | 4-4-2022 | Scott Ritter

Posted on 04/05/2022 8:12:18 PM PDT by Basket_of_Deplorables

It should be easy to find out what really happened to the massacred civilians in the Ukrainian town.

The truth about Bucha is out there, but perhaps too inconvenient to be discovered A woman walks in Bucha, in the outskirts of Kyiv, Ukraine, Sunday, April 3, 2022.

“In war, truth is the first casualty.” This quote has been attributed to Aeschylus, a 6th BCE Greek tragedian noted for his “copious use of imagery, mythic allusion, grand language, wordplay and riddles.” It is only fitting, therefore, that the man who first gave word to the concept of modern-day war-time propaganda would see his quote come to life in the present-day Ukraine. The Kiev government and their Western information warfare advisers may have coopted all of Aeschylus’ playwright devices to craft a modern-day tragedy in the Ukrainian town of Bucha that exemplifies the notion of the lie as not just a byproduct, but also a weapon of war.

The main source of the Bucha tragedy reports is a videotape, taken by the Ukrainian National Police, of one of their convoys driving through a street in the town. A dozen or so corpses litter the roadway, many of them appearing to have been bound. This video has gone viral...

... The linkage between the dead and the Russian military was established immediately, without any fact-based data to back it up, and subsequently echoed in all forms of media... ... Social “preconditioning” of an audience unused to critical thinking is an essential step in getting this audience to accept at face value anything that is put before it, regardless of how egregiously the facts of the story strain credulity. And let’s be clear – the Ukrainian narrative of the events in Bucha seems to stretch credibility...

(Excerpt) Read more at rt.com ...


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To: Basket_of_Deplorables
Social “preconditioning” of an audience unused to critical thinking is an essential step in getting this audience to accept at face value anything that is put before it, regardless of how egregiously the facts of the story strain the senses.

This quote is true for so many other issues these days. Regardless of this one.

61 posted on 04/06/2022 3:33:06 AM PDT by airborne (Thank you Rush for helping me find FreeRepublic! )
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To: DTA

The white cloths were from their armbands, which they had worn during the period when the town was occupied by the Russians in order to indicate that they were not combatants and were not going to oppose the Russians. When the Russians left, these people were considered collaborators by the Ukrainians and it was the Ukrainians who hunted them down and killed them (often gruesomely, and in the case of women, shaving their heads and raping them first).

That’s why GB and the EU, great supporters of Zelensky, didn’t want a UN investigation.

Zelensky seems to be the paranoid one, btw, because he is always firing his generals, accusing other politicians of treason, etc. I think this is probably because they disagree with him on tactics like this.


62 posted on 04/06/2022 3:45:49 AM PDT by livius
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Per top of the page:

“And let’s be clear – the Ukrainian narrative of the events in Bucha seems to stretch credibility...”

If the very consistent Ukrainian narrative stretches credibility, then the constantly redefined Russian narrative shatters credibility.

Russia has gone from telling its people that Ukraine had no defensive clout beyond the 8000 Nazis in Azov in the Donbass, to bombing cities in the west of Ukraine and destabilising Chernobyl because, er, all those mothers with kids and those nuclear plant safety workers are Nazis???

Originally Nazis were just Azov and other active Nazi groups. Now, anyone of any age who feels more Ukrainian or European than they feel Russian is a Nazi too. Native Russian speakers were the victims of Ukrainian oppression in February; today they’re the enemy if they are not pro invasion.

What does Russia have to gain? Ye gods! Its simple.

This war is not, never has been, and will never be, about “protecting” even Russian civilians let alone Ukrainian ones.

Russia is only after the raw resources in Ukraine. It absolutely doesn’t want the Ukrainian people, their distinctive culture, their art or their separate national identity to survive.

Show me one quote from the Kremlin propaganda in the last five years where they’ve had anything positive to say about their neighbor.

Putin hates Ukrainian EVERYTHING.

Russia only pretends it cares about Russian speakers in Ukraine so that useful idiots ger drawn into pathetic comparisons between the 5% of Uke troops pre invasion that might’ve been connected to nasty Azov Bandera folks and aren’t Russian speakers, and the 95% that were perfectly happy to be Ukrainians with many Russian ties who can speak both languages but don’t fancy being pulled back into a new USSR.

Russian action is completely consistent with an occupying NAZI force on the orders of a NAZI leader that is after the LEBENSRAUM not the UNTERMENSCH plays the “if you scum even look at us the wrong way we’ll kill a hundred of you” card.

The counter narrative that Ukraine has thousands of sucidal crisis actors, millions of Nazis (including kids now), and the capability to bomb Mariupol into rubble despite having no bombs or bombers and fewer than 5,000 professional Nazi boots on the ground... THAT is the sort of narrative that stretches credibility to breaking point.


63 posted on 04/06/2022 3:48:53 AM PDT by MalPearce
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To: Basket_of_Deplorables

Here’s a good place to start.

Cui Bono?

Who benefits? Do the Russians benefit by leaving behind a bunch of corpses of people who had obviously been bound before being executed and then blaming it on the Kiev government - or does the Kiev government/Globalist side benefit by doing so and blaming it on the Russians?

Who would the Western media be more likely to believe?

I think we all know the answer to these questions. This is extremely likely yet another false flag to try to get the West drawn into the war against Russia.

Besides....why were several of the corpses wearing white pro Russia armbands rather than blue pro Ukraine armbands? Did the Russians shoot their own supporters? Think for a minute.


64 posted on 04/06/2022 3:50:36 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: wastedyears

Its overwhelmingly a bunch of handles I’ve never seen on FR before. This makes be believe they are trolls/stooges rather than genuine posters. I notice they all happen to be on one side too - what an amazing “coincidence”.


65 posted on 04/06/2022 3:55:31 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: wastedyears

Yes that’s another tell.

Russia wanted UN investigators and the UK quickly moved to block any such investigation. Gee, why?


66 posted on 04/06/2022 3:56:32 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: Robert357
Propaganda is an important part of war and of morale during war. I don't fault either side for their propaganda.

Telling lies that get people killed, that otherwise would have been fine, is a crime in the grade of murder. We should all be sick of so much propaganda all the time, not just in war. Lying is not ok, and the bar needs to be greatly lowered for triggering criminal charges, with penalties that bite.

Imagine how much better our lives would have gone had lies been the exception and not the rule. Students in government schools are lied to so much, the smart ones learn to take everything with a huge grain of salt, even the quality, useful, valuable wisdom that will take until old age to realize the truth and value of, tragically too late to be of any use.

The human willingness to lie so easily and often to fellow humans is a trait some alien life form might find worthy of nuking the whole place over.

67 posted on 04/06/2022 4:07:53 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: Jan_Sobieski

“What does Russia have to gain by killing bound civilians? ... But they have been quite restrained in their mission.”

An invading army that has suffered serious setbacks, and begins to retreat, often takes out its frustration and anger on the nearest available target, and the more defenseless, the better. They vent. So, atrocities are committed against the local population. This is not at all uncommon in war. Retreating armies are unusually brutal towards the civilians of an enemy territory. History is full of examples.


68 posted on 04/06/2022 4:24:32 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Basket_of_Deplorables

“I also just wanted to see the Ukrainian Propaganda Team here explode their collective heads. You’ll know them by A) not reading mthe article, and B)They will scream “Putin Stooge” without thought. “

You are so FULL OF CRAP. Just because:

1. The media FRAMES Russia on ‘collusion’ with Trump
2. The media FRAMES Russia on Wikileaks (Hillary campaign emails)
3. The media FRAMES Russia on Hunter’s Laptop

...gives you NO REASON to think that the media may be framing Russia on Ukraine, since the media NEVER lies to us, particularly about Russia.


69 posted on 04/06/2022 4:28:48 AM PDT by BobL (Putin isn't sending gays into our schools to recruit children, but anti-Putin people are)
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To: wastedyears

“Those look like mannequins.”

Burned bodies often look surreal.


70 posted on 04/06/2022 4:32:34 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Williams

They look the same color all over? As if mannequins have never been used for photo ops before.


71 posted on 04/06/2022 4:37:33 AM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

Did the media say that the Russian military destroyed a lot of towns?


72 posted on 04/06/2022 4:38:43 AM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: MalPearce

Re: your comment 63,

Is that the old cold war mindset? Everything Russian bad, and a country that bombs its own citizens is just okay?


73 posted on 04/06/2022 4:50:12 AM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: Reeses

Our media uses propaganda to shape the narrative.


74 posted on 04/06/2022 4:52:59 AM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: wastedyears

No, it is what Russian academics, Russian politicians, Russian vox pops and Russian media keep saying to each other, all the time, consistently.

The Russian inconsistency is about what the propaganda mill pushes to the outside world because they know if everybody knew sbout their MORE THAN 10 YEAR LONG internal conversation around bringing the untermensch of Ukraine back under Kremlin rule, the notion that this invasion ever had anything to do with neo-Nazi taskforces in the separatist regions would be sunk.

For one audience in one week they report that they were scared of NATO, for another audience in another week they peddle the myth that the whole Ukrainian country was infested with Nazis and NATO false flags.

For some audiences their story between December and Mid February was, the Nazi element is confined to the Eastern breakaway oblasts and was a tiny force that would be overwhelmed with 2 days of shock and awe and Russia wasn’t interested in doing anything more than that.

At the same time, their demands to Ukraine were nothing short of complete, total, unconditional surrender and de-armament of the entire Ukrainian country prior to the imposition of a Russian puppet government.

(And the plan circulating on Russian TV and Lukashenko’s evil plan whiteboard was then to go do the same to Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Finland...)

Of course Russian separatists, agents provocateurs, militants and non-nazis who suffered EITHER at the hands of neo-Nazi taskforces OR Russia’s mercenaries, were collateral damage during smirmishes between other parties (there were also several pro-Kyiv community groups and pro-Moscow separatist community groups that weren’t militarised).

But what went on between 2014 and 2022 was still, in the grand scheme of things, a fairly tame civil war. It was nasty and messy to those directly involved, and both sides had villains and victims, but the numbers involved were very low compared to pretty much every other civil war.

So in order to end one of the leadt bloody civil wars in European history, Russia’s caused the deaths of some 40,000 people in six weeks - including their own conscripts - and most of those deaths have been horrific.

Hmm.

That was NOT defensive, it was NOT civil war. It was the implementation of a deliberate policy of fully invading a neighbor and inflicting maximum damage on its services, infrastructure and people.


75 posted on 04/06/2022 5:39:21 AM PDT by MalPearce
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To: Basket_of_Deplorables

In one of the videos I saw a “dead guy” was moving around as armored cars passed. Supposedly he had been dead for six weeks.

It’s a MIRACLE I tell ya!


76 posted on 04/06/2022 6:05:45 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually" (Hendrix) )
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To: Basket_of_Deplorables

interesting article, thanks
it’s always funny to see the usual trolls heads exploding.
rooskies being the first to ask for UN sec council investigation says a lot.


77 posted on 04/06/2022 6:21:25 AM PDT by CarolinaReaganFan
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To: wastedyears

You seem to be on quite a mission.


78 posted on 04/06/2022 8:51:08 AM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: MalPearce

Very well said, thank you.

Sad how some people live in a fantasy world where a Russian invasion of Ukraine is a whole alphabet soup of things other than the obvious.

Biolabs,Soros, Nazis, NATO, a Ukrainian movie set, globalists,homos

It goes on and on. But bottom line is Putin wanted to take Ukraine or at least Crimea.


79 posted on 04/06/2022 8:56:04 AM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Pikachu_Dad
They should not have started this war !

Russia is playing by the exact same set of rules that NATO wrote when we bombed Serbia in 1999.

80 posted on 04/06/2022 9:37:03 AM PDT by Drew68 (Ron DeSantis for President 2024)
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