Posted on 04/05/2022 8:12:18 PM PDT by Basket_of_Deplorables
This quote is true for so many other issues these days. Regardless of this one.
The white cloths were from their armbands, which they had worn during the period when the town was occupied by the Russians in order to indicate that they were not combatants and were not going to oppose the Russians. When the Russians left, these people were considered collaborators by the Ukrainians and it was the Ukrainians who hunted them down and killed them (often gruesomely, and in the case of women, shaving their heads and raping them first).
That’s why GB and the EU, great supporters of Zelensky, didn’t want a UN investigation.
Zelensky seems to be the paranoid one, btw, because he is always firing his generals, accusing other politicians of treason, etc. I think this is probably because they disagree with him on tactics like this.
Per top of the page:
“And let’s be clear – the Ukrainian narrative of the events in Bucha seems to stretch credibility...”
If the very consistent Ukrainian narrative stretches credibility, then the constantly redefined Russian narrative shatters credibility.
Russia has gone from telling its people that Ukraine had no defensive clout beyond the 8000 Nazis in Azov in the Donbass, to bombing cities in the west of Ukraine and destabilising Chernobyl because, er, all those mothers with kids and those nuclear plant safety workers are Nazis???
Originally Nazis were just Azov and other active Nazi groups. Now, anyone of any age who feels more Ukrainian or European than they feel Russian is a Nazi too. Native Russian speakers were the victims of Ukrainian oppression in February; today they’re the enemy if they are not pro invasion.
What does Russia have to gain? Ye gods! Its simple.
This war is not, never has been, and will never be, about “protecting” even Russian civilians let alone Ukrainian ones.
Russia is only after the raw resources in Ukraine. It absolutely doesn’t want the Ukrainian people, their distinctive culture, their art or their separate national identity to survive.
Show me one quote from the Kremlin propaganda in the last five years where they’ve had anything positive to say about their neighbor.
Putin hates Ukrainian EVERYTHING.
Russia only pretends it cares about Russian speakers in Ukraine so that useful idiots ger drawn into pathetic comparisons between the 5% of Uke troops pre invasion that might’ve been connected to nasty Azov Bandera folks and aren’t Russian speakers, and the 95% that were perfectly happy to be Ukrainians with many Russian ties who can speak both languages but don’t fancy being pulled back into a new USSR.
Russian action is completely consistent with an occupying NAZI force on the orders of a NAZI leader that is after the LEBENSRAUM not the UNTERMENSCH plays the “if you scum even look at us the wrong way we’ll kill a hundred of you” card.
The counter narrative that Ukraine has thousands of sucidal crisis actors, millions of Nazis (including kids now), and the capability to bomb Mariupol into rubble despite having no bombs or bombers and fewer than 5,000 professional Nazi boots on the ground... THAT is the sort of narrative that stretches credibility to breaking point.
Here’s a good place to start.
Cui Bono?
Who benefits? Do the Russians benefit by leaving behind a bunch of corpses of people who had obviously been bound before being executed and then blaming it on the Kiev government - or does the Kiev government/Globalist side benefit by doing so and blaming it on the Russians?
Who would the Western media be more likely to believe?
I think we all know the answer to these questions. This is extremely likely yet another false flag to try to get the West drawn into the war against Russia.
Besides....why were several of the corpses wearing white pro Russia armbands rather than blue pro Ukraine armbands? Did the Russians shoot their own supporters? Think for a minute.
Its overwhelmingly a bunch of handles I’ve never seen on FR before. This makes be believe they are trolls/stooges rather than genuine posters. I notice they all happen to be on one side too - what an amazing “coincidence”.
Yes that’s another tell.
Russia wanted UN investigators and the UK quickly moved to block any such investigation. Gee, why?
Telling lies that get people killed, that otherwise would have been fine, is a crime in the grade of murder. We should all be sick of so much propaganda all the time, not just in war. Lying is not ok, and the bar needs to be greatly lowered for triggering criminal charges, with penalties that bite.
Imagine how much better our lives would have gone had lies been the exception and not the rule. Students in government schools are lied to so much, the smart ones learn to take everything with a huge grain of salt, even the quality, useful, valuable wisdom that will take until old age to realize the truth and value of, tragically too late to be of any use.
The human willingness to lie so easily and often to fellow humans is a trait some alien life form might find worthy of nuking the whole place over.
“What does Russia have to gain by killing bound civilians? ... But they have been quite restrained in their mission.”
An invading army that has suffered serious setbacks, and begins to retreat, often takes out its frustration and anger on the nearest available target, and the more defenseless, the better. They vent. So, atrocities are committed against the local population. This is not at all uncommon in war. Retreating armies are unusually brutal towards the civilians of an enemy territory. History is full of examples.
“I also just wanted to see the Ukrainian Propaganda Team here explode their collective heads. You’ll know them by A) not reading mthe article, and B)They will scream “Putin Stooge” without thought. “
You are so FULL OF CRAP. Just because:
1. The media FRAMES Russia on ‘collusion’ with Trump
2. The media FRAMES Russia on Wikileaks (Hillary campaign emails)
3. The media FRAMES Russia on Hunter’s Laptop
...gives you NO REASON to think that the media may be framing Russia on Ukraine, since the media NEVER lies to us, particularly about Russia.
“Those look like mannequins.”
Burned bodies often look surreal.
They look the same color all over? As if mannequins have never been used for photo ops before.
Did the media say that the Russian military destroyed a lot of towns?
Re: your comment 63,
Is that the old cold war mindset? Everything Russian bad, and a country that bombs its own citizens is just okay?
Our media uses propaganda to shape the narrative.
No, it is what Russian academics, Russian politicians, Russian vox pops and Russian media keep saying to each other, all the time, consistently.
The Russian inconsistency is about what the propaganda mill pushes to the outside world because they know if everybody knew sbout their MORE THAN 10 YEAR LONG internal conversation around bringing the untermensch of Ukraine back under Kremlin rule, the notion that this invasion ever had anything to do with neo-Nazi taskforces in the separatist regions would be sunk.
For one audience in one week they report that they were scared of NATO, for another audience in another week they peddle the myth that the whole Ukrainian country was infested with Nazis and NATO false flags.
For some audiences their story between December and Mid February was, the Nazi element is confined to the Eastern breakaway oblasts and was a tiny force that would be overwhelmed with 2 days of shock and awe and Russia wasn’t interested in doing anything more than that.
At the same time, their demands to Ukraine were nothing short of complete, total, unconditional surrender and de-armament of the entire Ukrainian country prior to the imposition of a Russian puppet government.
(And the plan circulating on Russian TV and Lukashenko’s evil plan whiteboard was then to go do the same to Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Finland...)
Of course Russian separatists, agents provocateurs, militants and non-nazis who suffered EITHER at the hands of neo-Nazi taskforces OR Russia’s mercenaries, were collateral damage during smirmishes between other parties (there were also several pro-Kyiv community groups and pro-Moscow separatist community groups that weren’t militarised).
But what went on between 2014 and 2022 was still, in the grand scheme of things, a fairly tame civil war. It was nasty and messy to those directly involved, and both sides had villains and victims, but the numbers involved were very low compared to pretty much every other civil war.
So in order to end one of the leadt bloody civil wars in European history, Russia’s caused the deaths of some 40,000 people in six weeks - including their own conscripts - and most of those deaths have been horrific.
Hmm.
That was NOT defensive, it was NOT civil war. It was the implementation of a deliberate policy of fully invading a neighbor and inflicting maximum damage on its services, infrastructure and people.
In one of the videos I saw a “dead guy” was moving around as armored cars passed. Supposedly he had been dead for six weeks.
It’s a MIRACLE I tell ya!
interesting article, thanks
it’s always funny to see the usual trolls heads exploding.
rooskies being the first to ask for UN sec council investigation says a lot.
You seem to be on quite a mission.
Very well said, thank you.
Sad how some people live in a fantasy world where a Russian invasion of Ukraine is a whole alphabet soup of things other than the obvious.
Biolabs,Soros, Nazis, NATO, a Ukrainian movie set, globalists,homos
It goes on and on. But bottom line is Putin wanted to take Ukraine or at least Crimea.
Russia is playing by the exact same set of rules that NATO wrote when we bombed Serbia in 1999.
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