Presbyterians: End Israel aid over settlements

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[JoeProBono]

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -- Presbyterian leaders want the U.S. to end aid to Israel unless the country stops settlement expansions in disputed Palestinian territories.

Delegates of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) voted Friday to support the call during the church's general assembly in Minneapolis. The measure passed with 82 percent of the vote. ...

[JoeProBono]

Session of Madison Street Presbyterian Church

[driftdiver]

They also voted to allow gay clergy. Clergy who in active gay relationships. Also on the agenda is to not require clergy to observe chastity and change the definition of marriage. marriage will be defined as two people and not a man and a woman.

PCUSA is not to be confused with PCA (Presbyterian Church of America). PCA is not into all this liberal garbage.

[Mr. Mojo]

Why are these Presbyterian leaders so adamantly against Israel settling their own historical territory? Why the emotional investment?

[beethovenfan]

Replacement theology types, like Jimmah Cahtuh.

[popdonnelly]

I go to a Presbyterian church, and this decision in no way reflects my personal views.

[Scythian]

Probably because they aren’t building any “gay” only housing ...

[itsahoot]

I go to a Presbyterian church, and this decision in no way reflects my personal views.

Then why do you yet go?

[sr4402]

As the first post, This is PC-USA, PCA or Orthodoxy Presbyterians. This is from the line in the 30s that decided a seminarian could preach who did not believe in the resurection. In the 70s, PC-USA funded socialist revelutionarys in Central America. When they starting funding abortions directly, that is when my denomination was formed and why the PCA has a Pro-Life plank.

Another plank men as Elders and Deacons, the women love it because the roles are well defined and the Women in the Church movement amoung us is thriving because of it.

[omega4179]

How Christian of them.

[sr4402]

As the first post, This is PC-USA, Not the PCA or Orthodoxy Presbyterians. This is from the line in the 30s that decided a seminarian could preach who did not believe in the resurection. In the 70s, PC-USA funded socialist revolutionarys in Central America. When they starting funding abortions directly, that is when my denomination was formed and why the PCA has a Pro-Life plank.

Another plank men as Elders and Deacons, the women love it because the roles are well defined and the Women in the Church movement amoung us is thriving because of it.

[BereanBrain]

Replacement theology is the natural extension of Hyper-Calvinism.

Calvin’s Clear Opinion from his writings in “A Response To Questions and Objections of a Certain Jew” - An Excerpt from “Ad Quaelstiones et Objecta Juaei Cuiusdam Responsio,” by John Calvin; The Jew in Christian Theology, Gerhard Falk, McFarland and Company, Inc., Jefferson, NC and London, 1931.

Their [the Jews] rotten and unbending stiffneckedness deserves that they be oppressed unendingly and without measure or end and that they die in their misery without the pity of anyone.

END QUOTE

If there is a denomination more Calvinistic than Presbyterians, I don’t know of one. PCA vs PCUSA hold this in common, what’s different is their politics.

[JoeProBono]

Core families in 1962 in front of First Orthodox Presbyterian Church, Portland. Front row: Gay Buckley, Fenn and Sally Myrtle Bourland, Ida Vanden Hoek, Julia Vanden Hoek Back row: Fenn Bourland, Catherine Vanden Hoek, Marinus Vanden Hoek, Gertrude Bourland, Laurence Bourland On March 12, 1964, the group was officially organized as Trinity Presbyterian Church of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church, and called the Rev. Herbert W. Butt as its first pastor. Membership at the end of 1964 stood at thirty-seven communicants and twenty covenant children.

[BereanBrain]

I must say, anybody reading this thread MUST see JoeProBono’s page!

What taste! What humor! 5 thumbs up (well, i don’t have 5 thumbs, but if I did, they would all be pointed up!)

[Redleg Duke]

My best friend is a Presbyterian and he says this happens every two years. The liberals who are the delegates pass the homo bill, and when it goes back to the local churches, it gets defeated.

That being said, they look like they are trying to dive into the same septic tank that the ELCA occupies.

[dartuser]

Its not an emotional investment ... its a theological one.

[Frantzie]

"My best friend is a Presbyterian and he says this happens every two years. The liberals who are the delegates pass the homo bill, and when it goes back to the local churches, it gets defeated." They should get a flogging. Let the Jew hating begin. 78% of American (liberal) Jews and various other idiots like union Catholics, African Americans, Libs, atheists, some wealthy Presbyterians like the idiot Buffett clans (Jimmy and Warren), a few wealthy Episcopalins, Muslims, etc voted for this. Elections have consequences. The idiots opened Pandora's box with the Islamo-Marxist.

[Joe Boucher]

No offense but just maybe ya should have stood up and protested.
Made your voice heard.
It is YOUR church.
Ya just gonna set back and watch your church go the way of the Episco?

[Mr. Mojo]

Ok then, what exactly is their theological investment against the Israel settling her own territory?

[Frantzie]

Note - I put the arrow brackets and sarc after the “Let the Jew hating begin.” For sarcasm. FR works with these brackeets () but the arrow ones next to the letter M do not show up. It was sarcasm. I know plenty of conservative Jews with loathe you know who. Many are gun onwers too.

[MarkL]

There are two "umbrella groups" for the Presbytarian churches in the US, and I have trouble remembering which is which. One is more conservative, and the other one (the one this article references) is incredibly liberal.

I used to do volunteer work for what I later learned was the liberal group, and I stopped doing that work (on their computers).

Mark