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The Evil that Men Do: How Bad Governments Create Poverty
Creation Evolution Headlines ^ | 18 August 2014

Posted on 08/18/2014 1:10:03 PM PDT by Politically Correct

Pharoah, let my people go:

How did ancient Egypt become a land of slaves building fantastic monuments to dictatorial leaders?
The land of Egypt was rich and fertile, a seeming paradise for egalitarian living.

Stephanie Pappas writes in Live Science about how despots “evolved” in ancient societies, but that’s a misleading use of the term; it actually was a series of bad choices by free people.
She writes how Simon Powers at the University of Lausanne came up with a mathematical model to explain the shift from egalitarianism to despotism.

Whether it actually explains them could be disputed, but he posits that people gradually yielded up their rights to strong leaders who promised them benefits.
As population density grew, he thinks, people had fewer options; a “feedback loop” ensued, that led to more yielding of power for more promises.
In Egypt, surrounded by desert, the people had nowhere else to go; in Peru, leaving the dictator would have required climbing mountains.
Still, those obstacles have not hindered other people groups throughout history, while nations with plenty of space and resources (Russia, China) have also given in to despots.

See more at: Bad Governments Create Poverty

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TOPICS: Health/Medicine; History; Religion; Science
KEYWORDS: antiquity; despotism; government; leftism; slavery; stateism; statism
Good read at the link
1 posted on 08/18/2014 1:10:03 PM PDT by Politically Correct
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To: Politically Correct

Bad governments seek absolute control over the people because they do not trust them. And the best way to control them is to impoverish them and make them beholden to the government for their daily bread.


2 posted on 08/18/2014 1:18:24 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The cure has become worse than the disease. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Politically Correct

Oppression is Tolerated, Freedom is Fought for....


3 posted on 08/18/2014 1:19:42 PM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: Politically Correct

It’s an interesting subject.

Reading ‘The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire” (Gibbon) the author said that incessant warfare meant armies took as prisoner, whole populations of conquered people.

They were kept, traded or sold as slaves. Slaves were currency and if you had or traded any slaves, you had wealth.

Also, the total of gold, silver and precious stones in the known world was limited so there was not enough of that for the valuation of commodities.

Human slaves BECAME currency.

I’m sure that’s part of it....I mean how whole countries became subject to tyranny


4 posted on 08/18/2014 1:20:53 PM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: Politically Correct

To rely solely on the character of the men and women we send to DC is to admit we are not a nation of laws.

The Framers knew this, and in order to secure liberty they didn’t rely on a Bill of Rights, but instead divided power between the states and the new federal government.


5 posted on 08/18/2014 1:21:24 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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To: Politically Correct; SunkenCiv

Stephanie Pappas is a moron if she thinks the original condition of those societies was freedom.


6 posted on 08/18/2014 1:22:34 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: SMARTY

except for Gaul where they pretty much wiped them out to the last man, woman and child


7 posted on 08/18/2014 1:23:37 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Politically Correct

I’d bet that not one member of the House or the Senate left office with less money than they had when they entered, in at least a century.


8 posted on 08/18/2014 1:42:25 PM PDT by lormand (Inside every liberal is a dung slinging monkey)
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To: Politically Correct
the shift from egalitarianism to despotismActually that is not a shift. Egalitarian societies went away with the development or disappearance of some primitive hunter-gatherer groups a long long time ago.
9 posted on 08/18/2014 2:43:22 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: Jacquerie
instead divided power between the states and the new federal government.

Then the Framers' grandsons passed the 17th Amendment and ended the power that enforced that division of power.

10 posted on 08/18/2014 2:45:53 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: arthurus

Righto. It appears all the early civilizations were theocratic in origin. When you’re a farming people weather becomes absolutely critical. The guy who is able to convince people he’s got connections Upstairs gathers more and more power.

Eventually becoming a God-King. This appears to be pretty much what happened in Egypt, the Indus, China, the Andes and Meso-America.

The main exception I’m aware of is Sumer. There, unlike Egypt, the country was split up into many city-states. These needed military leaders who gradually gained power relative to the priests and eventually became the first true secular rulers. Kings, IOW.


11 posted on 08/18/2014 3:38:48 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: SMARTY
Reading ‘The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire” (Gibbon)

Actually, 'Decline and Fall."

He started the story at what he thought was the peak of the Empire, the 2nd century.

12 posted on 08/18/2014 3:40:22 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Right... it’s been THAT long ago


13 posted on 08/19/2014 3:34:41 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: SMARTY

What?


14 posted on 08/19/2014 8:21:46 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Sherman Logan

It was THAT long ago that I read that book


15 posted on 08/19/2014 8:33:24 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: SMARTY

Ahh. Come to think of it, I read the whole series back about 30 years ago. Picked up the whole unabridged set at a garage sale for $10. Guy could really write, but slogging through some of the stuff about obscure Christian theological struggles and the resultant wars was pretty tough.


16 posted on 08/19/2014 8:36:27 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Sherman Logan

“...obscure Christian theological struggles and the resultant wars was pretty tough.”

THAT was the worst part I think. Everything else was pretty interesting.

It was THE piece of historical scholarship when it was written.

Up to that time, information about that period, though available, was scattered far and wide and mostly had to be translated.

Putting it all together with such insight and academic rigor was an accomplishment.


17 posted on 08/19/2014 8:47:57 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: SMARTY

Here’s an interesting anecdote about Gibbon.

On one occasion during the American Revolutionary War he rejected an invitation to meet with Benjamin Franklin, replying with a card saying that though he respected the American envoy as a man and a philosopher, he could not reconcile it with his duty to his king to have any conversation was a “revolted” subject. Franklin replied that he had such high regard for the historian that if ever Gibbon should consider the decline and fall of the British Empire as a subject, Franklin would be happy to furnish him with some relevant materials!


18 posted on 08/19/2014 10:14:14 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Ha!


19 posted on 08/19/2014 11:06:56 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: GeronL

No ifs ands or buts.

Did Lower Testosterone Levels Correlate With Rise of Technology?
http://www.archaeology.org/news/2401-140804-testosterone-skull-brow-ridge

No, they didn’t.

The benefits of inequality
http://news.sciencemag.org/evolution/2014/08/benefits-inequality


20 posted on 08/21/2014 6:42:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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