Bioware and EA to the Fans:
Posted on 04/29/2017 8:37:15 AM PDT by BenLurkin
“A prior indigenous technological species might have arisen on ancient Earth or another body, such as a pre-greenhouse Venus or a wet Mars,” he wrote.
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Earth’s plate tectonics would effectively have “erased” the traces of a civilization that lived billions of years ago.
Venus is in the grip of a severe greenhouse effect and also undergoes similar “resurfacing” that would scour it clean of artifacts.
This leaves just a handful of places where archaeologists might find traces of a lost extraterrestrial civilization.
“Remaining indigenous technosignatures might be expected to be extremely old, limiting the places they might still be found to beneath the surfaces of Mars and the moon, or in the outer solar system,” Wright added.
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The astronomer suggested that very old spaceships could still be lingering in the Asteroid Belt or Kuiper Belt, a disc at the very edge of the solar system that’s made up of icy objects.
These artifacts are likely to be the remains of ancient probes, space bases or industrial facilities.
“In the case of a prior indigenous technological species, the artifacts might have had totally different purposes, such as asteroid mining operations or settlements on other planets and moons,” Wright wrote.
“Such structures would be expected to fall into disrepair, especially if its creators are absent.”
So where are these aliens likely to have come from?
Wright suggested they may hail from somewhere that’s very close to home.
The presence of intelligent life on Earth makes it more likely that ye olde aliens hailed from this solar system, rather than being descended from an “extraterrestrial species that crossed interstellar space,” he concluded.
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The entirety of this star system was formed from matter ejected by dying first and second generation stars. It is therefore unnecessary to say amino acids came here from outer space. Everything here came here from outer space.
I build things.
I'm given a blueprint or drawings from someone and I build it.
At times I have to fabricate things completely on my own thought processes.
Granted, I have a starting point, but I also have a finishing point.
I start out, knowing what I want the piece to do at the end. From there, I gather my material and start cutting and fitting and building my piece. Sometimes I find out something in my piece doesn't work and I modify what I have, or I start over.
ALWAYS working with an end goal in mind or in design.
I am, for that piece, the intelligent designer.
Now let's take what you posted. Where I have an end product, I started off with already CREATED materials. Things DESIGNED so that I may use them.
The creator, like me, has an end design. Unlike me, he started with nothing. He "started" with an and design and then worked "backwards" designing EVERYTHING along the way, to build his creation.
I look at something like a DNA code and am amazed.
Somewhere 150 amino acids had to be designed and created and put into perfect arrangement, BEFORE the next 150 pieces of something were built from that and put into perfect arrangement, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on...
As a mechanically minded person, I look at the human body and how it works and am amazed.
When I was younger, I was somewhat athletic. Between work and play, I've had a number of injuries. Those injuries have taught me more on the workings of the human body.
Add to that our synergy with nature around us. The DESIGN of individual animals, of individual plants, of individual insects.
EVERY living creature and organism took the same design energy to build it.
In the end, each of us, every living creature, fits into a finished end design.
There is plenty of evidence it is just difficult to find. When you fully understand what happens during the inter glacial periods, you will understand why the evidence is not as obvious as stone pyramids. Just about every human made structure on our planet will be destroyed soon. Primarily due to catastrophic flooding. Take a good look at the planet and what do you see ? Water. Lots of water. In the past 2.5 million years we have been through roughly 50 interglacials.
#62 I start out, knowing what I want the piece to do at the end. From there, I gather my material and start cutting and fitting and building my piece. Sometimes I find out something in my piece doesn’t work and I modify what I have, or I start over.
The guy who created the Sol solar system made a few mistakes. Venus too hot, Uranus tipped over, the planet that shattered where the asteroid belt is now etc.
I figure he was a new contractor.... : )
You'll love this video. Its very well made, and goes into the subject of 'irreducible complexity', which is to say, those artifacts or components of living cells that cannot have a single micro component removed without rendering the whole component useless to the organism.
The question naturally arises: how can evolution produce such fully assembled 'machines' through chance or happenstance, when natural selection requires the existence of the fully assembled package to begin with? It can't be selected one part at a time.
No, all parts must be present and fully assembled into a 'machine' which is beneficial to the organism, in order for it to be selected.
Just like Hillary’s server!
We do have crust going back 3.7 billion years which contains evidence of the atmosphere and climate. It would not have been a pleasant place for any but the primitive life form that have left their fossils and other evidence.
YouTube has a great clip on that at "Sunglasses".
One of the most chilling lines, IMO, was when one of "Them" catches on and rats him out: "We have one who can see."
There's also a great, and believable, scene where he confronts one of the upper class who has sold out and pefrectly at ease with it. The original had "Them" using us as a food source, but Carpenter's take was a sendoff on Earth being exploited as a Third World country by the aliens.
Just single cell life up until roughly a billion years ago. Only advanced civilizations that could have sprung up would have been a couple million years ago. Coincidently about the time the Quaternary began.
I believe it was a combination of different animals. Great movie saw it when I was nine had nightmares for three days. Lol
God’s been there forever. It is presumptuous of us to believe that we and the angels are his only sentient creations.
Bioware and EA to the Fans:
“Fascinating how people can believe in aliens yet deny the existence of God and spiritual beings.”
But if you tell both the alien believers and religious folks that something has been freshly painted, they still have to touch it to make sure.
There may be life on other planets. But mankind, arguably, is far different than other life forms. Laying aside all the moral and spiritual issues, mankind is different if for no other reason then we feel we’re the “caretakers” of this planet. No other life form feels this type of responsibility. This, btw, happens to be the exact purpose God gave mankind in Genesis.
It is reasonable to assume there may be life on other planets. We may perhaps find an amoeba floating around in a pool of water, but no one will ever find life as unique as mankind.
I don't believe we humans are all that unique in the grand panoply of the universe. In our own solar system, yes. Yes we are the one and only species of our kind. I don't believe we'll find other intelligent life next door. At least not indigenous intelligent life.
However, we mustn't allow ourselves to become so insular in our thinking, or so arrogant in our own exalted view of ourselves, that we fail to use our God given powers of observation and reason, concerning the question of life elsewhere in the universe.
Consider the incomprehensible vastness of just our own galaxy. It's 100,000 light years across, and contains about two billion stars. Through direct observation, we've now discovered that planetary systems around stars are the norm, not the exception - which means there may be 20 to 100 billion planets in the Milky Way galaxy alone.
The percentage of those planets which are earthlike is probably small, but even if it's only 1%, we're talking a possible 20,000 to 100,000 worlds that look just like home, and which are capable of supporting life as we know it - including intelligent life like us.
And we're only talking about our home galaxy. Extrapolate the probabilities across the known number of galaxies in the visible universe, and the sheer scale of the numbers argue for a virtual certainty that intelligent life exists in great profusion all across the cosmos.
When you consider all the animals that inhabit this planet, past and present, we are the only ones that contemplate whether life exist on other planets. This alone should suggest that we are unique to this planet-a being that has a moral code that tells us murder or stealing is wrong. And as such we differ from other animals by thinking, creating, reasoning and contemplating. The fact that we are discussing the possibility of life on other planets is evidence that we differ from other primates.
You suggested that, given the statistical odds, there must be life on other planets. I would offer that there is evidence to suggest a spiritual realm exists here and now, in perhaps a parallel universe. Yet, while aliens seem a distinct possibility, many simply fail to believe that a spiritual realm could possibly exist where “aliens” could exist. Science fiction writers talk about travel through worm holes or the existence of parallel universes. There is far more solid evidence to support such a possibility with the occasional photographed of “ghosts” and other supernatural happenings recorded in testimonies of various people. All one has to do is Goggle for various pictures of ghosts or other unexplained phenomenon. Yet, despite the evidence, people remain skeptical. It is much easier to believe statistical probabilities then things we cannot explain.
So, if we are talking about a spiritual realm and alien beings, I would suggest that it isn’t all that crazy to believe in the existence of God. And if God exists then one would have to assume that He exists to make Himself known to us.
I suppose the concept of spirituality comes in to play, given this discussion about the probabilities of intelligent alien life, but it wasn't my intention to drive the conversation in that direction.
The short answer is, it's my belief that a living, sentient spirit, animates every intelligent life form in the universe.
To me, it is difficult to talk about life on other planets without considering the possibility of life on other plains (e.g. God, angels, etc.). They are interconnected.
Do I believe in life on other planets? It is totally possible. Do I believe in a divine God? I most certainly do.
The probability factor of you reading my comment...
where are they now?
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