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Relying on bear spray, instead of a Glock 20, had a terrible effect. Bear spray did not work. Untrained hunter could not make Glock 20 work, because it had an empty chamber.
1 posted on 11/23/2018 4:12:49 AM PST by marktwain
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Bear spray is a joke; works on people, but not bears at 30-50ft.

I carry either a Kimber 1911 10mm w/180gr HPs, or a Kimber 1911 .45 ACP w/230gr HPs, and a Beowulf .50cal w/ 425gr HPs. They stay with me, not over by a pack and my shirt. Idiots got what they deserved.


2 posted on 11/23/2018 4:19:50 AM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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All the bear spray did was get Mark Uptain killed.

Anyone who carries anthing less than a Ruger Super Blackhawk .44 magnum or larger, is under armed when hunting in Grizzly land. In this case,it led to tragedy.

I have seen a .44 mag Ruger Super Blackhawk 50 yard head shot to a 1200 pound bull moose,turn the animal over on its back in an instant kill, all 4 legs to the sky. It will stop a grizzly.


3 posted on 11/23/2018 4:22:00 AM PST by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism)http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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Lets see here. In bear country wound a big deer and let it bleed a good bit. Next day show up and butcher it out sending delicious smells wafting to the bruins fattening up before hibernation. While engaging in butchering out this nice carcass discard weapons ‘safely’ so no one will be injured. Hang around when a bear shows up as an uninvited lunch guest. This looks to be a classic’Bear Tale’ about how not to do it.
4 posted on 11/23/2018 4:23:29 AM PST by robowombat (Orthodox)
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Sad!


5 posted on 11/23/2018 4:23:32 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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What a series of ef ups.


6 posted on 11/23/2018 4:24:22 AM PST by eartick (Stupidity is expecting the government that broke itself to go out and fix itself. Texan for TEXIT!)
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The two times I was knocked unconscious in what are today called the knockout game, I never saw it coming. I just woke up with my face planted on the ground. I carry with a chambered round, but even with good situational awareness it’s possible you may never even get a chance to draw, let alone chamber a round.

In both knockouts, the assailant came running up silently from behind and hit me with something. In both cases, he kept running. This was during the year of hell when they force-integrated the schools in Hillsboro County fl.


7 posted on 11/23/2018 4:25:05 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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What kind of nut goes into the wild (bear country, no less) without protection (or even without the knowledge of how to use such protection). And I sure wouldn't consider a Glock 10MM protection from an attacking bear.

This so-called hunting guide is guilty of gross negligence.

10 posted on 11/23/2018 4:29:31 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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As My Brother says: It is better to have and not need, than to need and not have.

I agree theese two guys screwed themselves in multiple ways.


14 posted on 11/23/2018 4:42:30 AM PST by mabarker1 (Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!!)
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The old story of two hunters when the Bear attacked. One said I don’t have to run faster than the bear, only you.


15 posted on 11/23/2018 4:44:23 AM PST by YOMO
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“No round in chamber, magazine separated”

That’s “Massachusetts storage,” or, if the anti-gun lobby had their way, “Massachusetts carry”.

(By analogy to “Mexican carry”, which is a quite different thing.)


21 posted on 11/23/2018 4:50:49 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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The beauty of a revolver: pull it, aim it, pull the trigger, and BANG!


23 posted on 11/23/2018 4:54:59 AM PST by libstripper
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Until bears and other wild animals place locking devices on their claws and teeth I will continue to carry locked and loaded. Anything else is just fooling yourself into a false sense of security. If you are to inept to carry a loaded and ready to fire weapon you have no business even owning a gun.


26 posted on 11/23/2018 4:57:54 AM PST by TonyM (Score Event)
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Important Announcement:

In light of the rising frequency of human - grizzly bear conflicts, the Alaska Department of Fish and Game is advising hikers, hunters, and fishermen to take extra precautions and keep alert of bears while in the field.

They advise that outdoorsmen wear noisy little bells on their clothing so as not to startle bears that aren’t expecting them.

They also advise outdoorsmen to carry pepper spray with them in case of an encounter with a bear.

It is also a good idea to watch out for fresh signs of bear activity. Outdoorsmen should recognize the difference between black bear and grizzly bear dung.

Black bear dung is smaller and contains lots of berries and squirrel fur. Grizzly bear dung has little bells in it and smells like pepper.”


30 posted on 11/23/2018 5:14:37 AM PST by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life, Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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While I’m certainly not going to recommend carrying a 10mm in big bear country I would suggest only doing it with the heaviest of loads for max penetration. Buffalo Bore has a 200 grain flat nose load that gets 32 inches of penetration in ballistic gel. Given equivalent weight bullets the 357 Magnum provides more penetration. Stay away from self defense ammo like some of the flying ashtrays on the shelf now. Those are designed for a totally different situation. I carry a 5 1/2 inch Ruger Black Hawk in 45 Long Colt running Buffalo Bore 300 grain jacketed soft nose rounds. Those run just over 1300 ftps and close to 1200 ft-lbs energy. I’ve hit big boar hogs (300+ lbs) with this round and got complete penetration through both shields. Haven’t had to use it on a bear yet and hope I never do. Let me also add that if I’m in big bear country I will be carrying an appropriate caliber rifle. Plus side for the Ruger is it’s convertible to 45 ACP with just a simple cylinder change.


31 posted on 11/23/2018 5:22:04 AM PST by Dusty Road (")
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For a predator the size of a Grizzly Bear, I’d want a full metal jacket bullet vs a hollow point, especially in a pistol. You might be able to get a good head shot, but odds are you’re going to be shooting into the body. There’s a lot of fur, skin and muscle to go through to get to a vulnerable spot. If you read the accounts of the professional hunters in Africa back before WWII, a lot of them relied on steel jacketed bullets on lion where the bullet had to get through the thick chest muscles.


32 posted on 11/23/2018 5:24:40 AM PST by Stevenc131
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https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/state-law/50-state-summaries/safe-storage-state-by-state/

Explicitly requiring that firearms be stored unloaded with ammo separate is an open goal of America’s enemies in the Giffords Law Center. The globalist left wants us to be as vulnerable to home invasion attacks as these men were to a bear attack.


38 posted on 11/23/2018 5:45:38 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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40 posted on 11/23/2018 5:53:13 AM PST by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZGw2M)
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I wear a MAGA hat while hunting in Tennessee and Mississippi. I’ve not been bothered by bears or liberals yet.


46 posted on 11/23/2018 6:07:19 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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. He deliberately took off the pistol, took off his shirt, and placed both the pistol and his shirt near the two packs.

This happens all the time in movies, a guy in a hot situation puts his gun down and moves away from it, but that is to move the story along and allow the threat to get the upper hand. In real life, of course, it would never....well...


48 posted on 11/23/2018 6:17:33 AM PST by TalBlack (It's hard to shoot people when they are shooting back at you...)
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Very sad, thanks for posting the forensics on this, it helps to keep us sharp.

Five years ago I purchased an S&W 44 Magnum revolver and holster for my Nephew who hunts regularly in Oregon. It is the first thing on and the last thing off for the hunt, but nothing is better than proper training for everybody.

51 posted on 11/23/2018 6:36:57 AM PST by Navy Patriot (America NEEDS Mob Rule, another European and Mid East World War and a universal Draft)
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