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A Comparative Study of the Antediluvian Wisdom in Mesopotamian and Jewish Traditions (Watchers)
researchgate.net/Journal for the Study of the Pseudepigrapha ^ | AMAR ANNUS, University of Tartu, Estonia

Posted on 12/27/2018 11:20:09 AM PST by RoosterRedux

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To: cuban leaf
Your Zsa Zsa analogy is perfect. That's why I try to find the context for the Bible and how the words in the Bible were used at the time of It's writing. That's what makes sense of it.

For example, I recently was reading a commentary on Matthew 5:5 and it was explained that the Greek word for "meek" (praÿs, pronounced prah-ooce)--as in "the meek will inherit the Earth"--was used by Greeks to mean, for example, a soldier who was potentially dangerous but kept his sword sheathed.

Meekness like that of Christ who could have ripped the world apart with one word but went quietly to the Cross.

Bible commentator David Guzik says this about the word "meek":

It is impossible to translate this ancient Greek word praus (meek) with just one English word. It has the idea of the proper balance between anger and indifference; of a powerful personality properly controlled; and of humility. Source
As they say, context is everything.
21 posted on 12/27/2018 12:46:47 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

Bump for later.


22 posted on 12/27/2018 1:13:47 PM PST by GOPJ (DC Swamp critters can't sell influence or American blood in the Middle East anymore. They're frantic)
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To: Disambiguator

I am told that Gary Wayne’s believes that the Koran is authoritative. Is that your understanding?


23 posted on 12/27/2018 2:24:04 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

He does believe the lie that the god of Islam is also the God of the Bible, which is always a major red flag.


24 posted on 12/27/2018 3:31:50 PM PST by GemStateConservative
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To: RoosterRedux

He has some strange ideas about Islam, to be sure.


25 posted on 12/27/2018 3:36:20 PM PST by Disambiguator (Keepin' it analog.)
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To: RoosterRedux

I like the Destiny Lab hip hop version better:

Paranormal Species:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y12nQSOsREw

Robophobia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFyXm-HfYBU


26 posted on 12/27/2018 3:37:43 PM PST by unlearner (Beware the false peace. There shall be war until the END. (See 1 Thes. 5:3 & Daniel 9:26.))
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To: GemStateConservative

“He does believe the lie that the god of Islam is also the God of the Bible, which is always a major red flag.”

Islam has a bad theology about God, but the title for God in Arabic is Allah. Jewish and Christian texts translated into Arabic always use Allah for God.

Arabs were calling God by the title “Allah” before the term “God” was being used in English to refer to God. Allah was almost certainly the Arabic word that native Arabic speakers heard on the birthday of the New Testament Church in Acts 2.

It’s important to find balance and not get all caught up in knee jerk reactions. Invoking “Allah” is not some incantation. The word used for God’s title is different in different languages.

The problem with Islam is not there us of the term “Allah.” It is their religion’s denial that Jesus is the Son of God.


27 posted on 12/27/2018 3:44:48 PM PST by unlearner (Beware the false peace. There shall be war until the END. (See 1 Thes. 5:3 & Daniel 9:26.))
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To: unlearner
It doesn't matter what the Arabic word for God is. The Allah of Islam is not the Allah/God of the Jews and Christians.

Any devout Muslim will tell you that.

BTW, isn't the word Allah a contraction of "al-ilah," the chief god of the Kaaba. The moon god.

28 posted on 12/27/2018 3:59:08 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: unlearner; GemStateConservative
BTW, GemStateConservative was referring to what Gary Wayne believes about Islam. I didn't notice that he got caught up in a knee jerk reaction about the name "Allah."

It looks like you are showing off.

29 posted on 12/27/2018 4:02:16 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

“BTW, isn’t the word Allah a contraction of ‘al-ilah,’ the chief god of the Kaaba. The moon god.”

Have you looked into the etymology of God’s English title? It’s not much different.

You will not find any Christian missionaries to Arabic speakers who would fall for this ridiculous screed. But it must be true because someone somewhere on the Internet said so, right?

Confidence and incompetence are a bad combination.

No one who worships the moon calls their idol “Allah.” It is exactly this kind of nonsense that needs to be corrected.

But I won’t hold my breath. I’m just sharing for those who actually are interested in facts, truth, and accuracy rather than made up fake religious memes.


30 posted on 12/27/2018 4:26:00 PM PST by unlearner (Beware the false peace. There shall be war until the END. (See 1 Thes. 5:3 & Daniel 9:26.))
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To: RoosterRedux

I think it more likely that the Mesopotamian lore was based off Enoch then the other way around.


31 posted on 12/27/2018 4:27:49 PM PST by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary that good men do nothing)
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To: unlearner; GemStateConservative
Oh I see. A defender of Islam and Muslims.

Wandering around spouting nonsense, trying to pick fights with folks by making up things you think they might have intended to say (speaking of GemStateConservative here), but didn't.

Trying to find someone who might insult Islam so you can "virtue signal" with your righteous indignation.

I won't respond to you again, so rant away.

Sober up, dude, Christmas is over.

32 posted on 12/27/2018 4:36:18 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: reed13k
Possibly, but the Book of Enoch as we know it now and as it was known in the time of Christ wasn't around then (this is right around the time of the Flood). It is quite possible that stories of Enoch were told around the time of the development of these Mesopotamian myths and those stories made it into the Mesopotamian lore.

What the Mesopotamian lore includes is a character that some archaeologists believe is Enoch himself.

What all this lore actually does is paint a really interesting picture of what was going on in the world before and after the flood.

It sort of explains what was going on in the Gilgamesh epic and sort of shows how that mirrors (sort of) the Flood story and Genesis 6.;-)

Frankly this stuff makes my head spin but it very interesting if you are into archaeology, the Flood, Enoch, and the watchers.

33 posted on 12/27/2018 4:46:39 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux; GemStateConservative

“GemStateConservative was referring to what Gary Wayne believes about Islam. I didn’t notice that he got caught up in a knee jerk reaction about the name ‘Allah.’”

Well, I did not say he was making a knee-jerk reaction. I was saying it is important to avoid doing so. What you posted to me looks like something that ignores this advice.

“It looks like you are showing off.”

I have no idea what you are talking about. Formulating a few short sentences with historical and biblical context is “showing off”?

Your claims about Muslims worshipping a moon god proves my point. There are plenty of people who claim to be Christian, who are just as lost and hell-bound as any Muslim.

At least Muslims are able to recognize that they are not Christian, and this makes them less resistant to the Gospel than fake Christians who think the only solution to the false religion of Islam is to kill all Muslims. Real Christians recognize that most Muslims were born into that false religion and are victims of it. Real Christians see Muslims as people who need Jesus.

Unfortunately there are a lot of so-called Christians who need to find Jesus just as badly as the Muslims, but they are further away from Christ than even the Muslims.

“A defender of Islam and Muslims.”

So will you tell lies in the name of Jesus? I never defended Islam or Muslim beliefs. So an accusation of such is a LIE.

“I won’t respond to you again, so rant away.”

There was never any reason or substance to the nasty things you said to me in the first place. So the sooner it ends the better.

“Sober up, dude, Christmas is over.”

Wow. You are so far off the mark, it really just underscores the irrationality and inaccuracy of whatever else you’ve claimed. Does your version of Christianity teach to throw truth and facts out of the window and replace them with spurious accusations and allegations?

Is your idea of celebrating Jesus’ birthday to get drunk? I’ve been sober for decades. Only been drunk once in my life and learned a lesson from that stupidity. Never used alcohol (underage or behind the wheel) illegally. Never used illegal drugs. Based on what I find in the Bible about people who judge others, I could make an educated guess that the person hurling insults and accusations needs to look in the mirror and follow his own advice.

You posted a thread which has Biblical connotations and then attack a person who had an educated opinion about something being posted on it. Maybe it would be better to have posted it under religion as “RoosterRedux caucus” then you could get anyone whose views you dislike booted from your thread.

The original post to which I made my statements about the historical and biblical context of the Arabic title of God was “He does believe the lie that the god of Islam is also the God of the Bible.”

My response addresses a specific issue which is a common error about whether Muslims, Jews, and Christians worship the same God because they are all monotheistic. My point addresses the issue as a whole rather than simplistic “knee jerk” responses based on inaccurate claims like the one you used that essentially labels Islam as a moon-worshipping cult. Islam has a very long list of problems, but worshipping the moon isn’t one of them.

It is beyond ironic that simply pointing out facts resulted in vitriolic responses, and that coming from someone citing the Bible and the meekness of Christ on this very thread which he started. Very disappointing and totally unnecessary.


34 posted on 12/27/2018 5:29:58 PM PST by unlearner (Beware the false peace. There shall be war until the END. (See 1 Thes. 5:3 & Daniel 9:26.))
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To: RoosterRedux

Moses was also meek.


35 posted on 12/27/2018 6:04:33 PM PST by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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To: RoosterRedux

In my mind it also speaks to a lot of the Greek ‘Gods’ & Legends - Hercules, Atlas, etc.

As well as other fables and myths through the ages. Even Beowulf.


36 posted on 12/27/2018 7:08:40 PM PST by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary that good men do nothing)
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To: reed13k

Absolutely.


37 posted on 12/28/2018 2:39:01 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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