Posted on 11/21/2019 4:24:42 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege
Even if you've never been there in person, once you know the factual history, just seeing TRAITOR'S GATE, in a movie, should send chills down one's spine.
And just think...it really started out as a Palace and a fort, for William the Conqueror. There are even chapels in it! :-)
Then tell me about the two royalty boys who were executed in the Tower; the chopping block set up in the corridor.
Who cares about the opinions of celebrities. Or what PR firms say.
I look directly at what her family said and did: Her father and half-siblings trashed her name in the press. They cashed-in, making as much money as possible from the media. They kept running to the media at every chance.
The half-brother gave an interview that’s on YouTube. He talked about lots of family issues.
Spoiled? Why - because her father paid for her schooling? He himself shared letters from her, as an adult, that showed she’d been helping him financially as an actress.
Who cares what the tabloids say. I look at the story for what it is.
If so, no, Richard III did NOT have them murdered in "THE BLOODY TOWER" and there are actually 4 prominent towers in the main building, but also many other "towers" in the outer rim, which is where "THE BLOODY TOWER" is located.
The little princes disappeared without a trace; however, during a reconstruction/repair work, a few decades back, two small skeletons were found. IIRC there were DNA tests done, which proved to be inconclusive, re just WHO these bodies were.
I'll have to check ( go through a few of my books ) re "the chopping block in the corridor", because I have NO idea what you are talking about, nor where that could even have been.
There is still extant today, the area, OUTSIDE, where Royals were beheaded, which yes, I've seen and walked past.
Sparkles father did NOT "trash her" at all; he was trying to clear up the smearing and trashing HE got, when her " 5 friends" leaked bits and pieces of her letter TO her father. This was done because he had NOT publicly even breathed a word about this dreadful, childish letter for months and months. Did you want him to remain quiet when nasty pieces were leaked to Vanity Fair? And he made no, nada, bupkis, zero money from that episode!
The 1/2 brother and sister have made some money from their connection; however, THEY TOLD THE AWFUL TRUTH ABOUT HER! Too bad the BRF didn't pay any attention to them.
Spoiled because her father gave her EVERYTHING she ever wanted/demanded, which has left him penurious.
She LIED about who paid for her to go to college! She claimed that she took out loans and worked...NOT! Her father paid her full way through; just as he had done through private schools before that.
He sent her off on trips to Europe, when she was a teen.
He denied her nothing and he 1) DIDN'T MAKE ALL that MUCH MONEY 2) used the smallish winnings from a lottery win to do so.
Obviously YOU care, but NOT enough to look for and accept the known facts. Why is that?
Actually, I DO look at facts. I don’t rely on tabloid gossip. I heard and read what her family members said.
Look up the son’s interview on YouTube. There are 5 (or 6?) parts of that interview. The son says a lot about his father, and it doesn’t sound good. I’m not repeating it here. Anyone can find that video on YouTube.
As for money, the father was an award-winning lighting director, so he wasn’t poor. Then he won $750,000 in a lottery. He did pay for her to attend private school, and he also gave some money to his other children. (He and the half-sister claim he paid every dime for Meghan’s college education, but Meghan said she had scholarships and loans. Whatever the truth is, is not known at this point.)
But, according to the son, the father lost money in a “bad business dealing.” That’s how he ended up bankrupt.
The father and half-siblings were earning money by talking with the press. Even if the father stopped taking money later, he was earning money from the press before then.
Any family would have difficulty with reporters suddenly following them everywhere. It’s understandable that the family might’ve not known how to handle the sudden attention (although the half-sister knew how to capitalize on it right away). But, why would anyone expect a relationship with a family member after bashing that person in the press so often?
Okay. Had my facts wrong. Thanks.
“”I had never heard of her until her engagement with Harry””
Same here and I don’t think Harry is very bright. An overall observation not just in his choice of a wife.
I read ( have done so since newspapers have been on line and before that, growing up, I read foreign newspapers in school/college libraries ) at least 2 Brit papers a day and a few other foreign newspapers as well as the hard copies of American papers, in hand.
Some newspapers are called "TABLOIDS", such as The N.Y. Post, the N.Y. Daily News, the following Brit papers too...The Daily Mail, The Sun, and a few others.
The Daily Mail has embedded videos...some I've watched, some I haven't; so I've seen some of the interviews.
I also NEVER have read, let alone bought the American PEOPLE magazine, yet THAT is the vehicle that MeAgain uses to leak personal news to. the DM has posted a LOT of those, so I've read that too.
And whilst I don't know what lighting directors make on T.V. shows, I DO know what people who work in the theatre, in NYC, make. And based on that knowledge, Sparkles father made a decent salary; however, he was never "rolling in money". And California taxes and costs have always been high, he obviously didn't save much, and 3/4 of a million, after taxes, doesn't leave a huge amount of money.
Re "the press" and her family....
Of course those people had no idea how to handle things ( and neither did/does she! ) and Harry didn't do anything at all to help and neither did she! Actually, she LIED about her family, to Harry and is ashamed of ALL of them; on both sides of it!
Her paternal uncles haven't said word one, until now. And no, her 2 paternal uncles are just sad about being completely cut out of her life now.
And today, there's an article in the Daily mail, about one of her maternal uncles being sad about never hearing from nor seeing Sparkles in many, many years...with family photos!
And now...she is culling Harry away from HIS family and has been doing this from almost day one! She also made him drop ALL of his old friends! It's what narcissists do!
Did you see the revolting whingementory that the Harkles did in RSA? I did...I forced myself to actually watch it on T.V.!
Not only was it scripted, IT HAD BEEN REHEARSED! And just HOW do I know that? Well, one of Harry's very last "pal" did it and he discussed it. No, he thought it was "great" and he was NOT trying to smear them and himself; but that's what he managed to do.
I not only went through 1/2 a dozen of my books books, but also tried to find what you were talking about on line and found nothing. I thought that I had somehow missed something and was going to ask you, today, to tell me where you had found out about this info. LOL...it was driving me a bit crazy! :-)
I too was somehwhat "off" about the timeline of the finding of the two small skeletons; off by centuries, for the first findings, sadly. I got my dates jumbled. The first "find" was centuries earlier, but the bones have been moved, reburied, found again when work was being done and yet one more time after that. YIKES...and still nobody knows what really happened to the "little Princes"! I love a good mystery, but wish that there were more facts/an ending to this one.
I also remember a scene from Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead - as told from the other side of Hamlet that took in a scene from the Tower.
The mystery of the "little princes" has intrigued me since I was a kid. So I've read books about it since then and have quite a collection of books about it now. I also have a couple of books about the Tower of London, and took the tour twice...once the first time I went to London and then, again, when we too the progeny. The Yeoman Warders, who give these tours are fantastic and make it all very memorable.
And then, there's Josephine Tey's excellent book, THE DAUGHTER OF TIME,which I highly recommend, that clears King Richard III.
LOL...and I've even been to the museum, in London, that has waxworks of famous murder victims and murderers. The one of the little Princes is just of the two boys, quite similar to all of the famous paintings of them.
The whole royal family going back five or six hundred years were quite whacky; and also of late.
Everyone, even IF they've never seen or read Shakespeare's play, RICHARD III, views King Richard the way he was described and smeared by dear old Willie the Shake! Shakespeare, remember, was writing for the Tudors and a LOT of his "history plays" are biased propaganda!
Okay - the royals had a serous problem with their mental processing.
To quote Shakespeare: "UNEASY LIES THE HEAD THAT WEARS THE CROWN."!
Kings and Queens, from time immemorial, no matter what nation/empire we're talking about, have had to worry about being killed, deposed by member of the family, a distant relative, a wife, invading forces, their own people, the government, and assassins/anarchists. And then there is always the courtiers, hangers on, the Pope, church leaders, supposed "friends", and actually ruling.
The above are not "excuses" but things they all had to deal with and then throw in actually ruling a nation or empire!
As with all people, royals and their families have all sorts of people comprising this group.You really can't just lump all of them into one kind of group!
Have ALL American presidents and pols been the same? NO, they haven't. Nor have all pols, from the beginning of this nation. And no, all Dems, haven't been the same, nor have all Whigs and then GOPers.
Some families have members who are pretty much all alike, for generations; however, besides genes, it's also the waay they have been raised.
Other families contain people who are quite disimilar from one another.
And "royals" are, when all is said and done, just people, after all is said and done.
Ms. Markle merely has had to struggle harder for the media attention she craves, due to publicity stemming from Andrew’s well-known habits of longstanding. I’m encouraged to see that at least somebody in a position of authority is acting upon an Epstein situation.
I have no doubt that you’re a well-read person. But, to me, the name of the newspaper doesn’t matter. DM, for example, has both good and bad articles. What really matters is the source of the information and the writer’s bias. Some news stories are nothing more than gossip, making conjecture, quoting unnamed sources or spreading rumors.
It’s interesting that a British prince married an American. To me, they’re like any other celebrity couple. I don’t agree with them on anything, but I wish all couples a happy marriage. They’re in another country where their ideas are in line with many Brits and maybe even the BRF, too. She’s a Dem. She’s right where she should be. If only we could talk other Dems into moving there.
The father obviously treated her well because he was doing well then. The half-siblings say they had a different experience growing up. As for paying for her private school tuition, that’s the parent’s choice. Public school would’ve been a choice, too. He chose differently.
The family members: First the half-sister trashed her to the media. She even planned to write a book about her. She’s no victim of any kind. Then the press reported on the father’s career and the half-brother’s troubles. Then the half-brother started complaining about her to the media. And then the father wouldn’t stop talking with the media. And on and on. It was a circus.
The half-siblings complained they weren’t invited to the royal wedding. Were they invited to her first wedding? Some stories out there claim the father didn’t even attend her first wedding. I don’t know if that’s true.
Yes, some on both sides of her extended family members have gone to the press with photos, etc. But, why reach out through the press? Why not through her mother?
Is she an opportunist? Maybe so. But all these people are adults. Prince Harry is a grown man. He and she made a decision, and now they’re a family.
And the DM has a lot of great articles, on ALL different topics.
When the DM quotes, verbatum, from other sources, suce as PEOPLE and VANITY FAIR, you can bet your last plug nickle that those 2 American magazines are 1) going to ONLY have pro-Sparkles article 2) the articles are quoting what MeAgain "friends" and/or MeAgain HERSELF has said/fed to her "friends" to say 3) were put out by the far lefty/Clintonista PR company, Sunshine Saks ( or however it's spelled ) that the Harkles and the Clintons share!
If you read anything about Sparkles in THE GUARDIAN...it's going to be "good" stuff and LEFTY stuff; that's a given!
The Sun is far more "tabloidy" than the others, but often gets thing first and correct.
The Sunday Times ( Brit paper and NOTHING at all to do with The N.Y. Times ! ) and The Telegraph are more "staid" and less "gossipy".
This is NOT the first CRETIN of a Brit Prince to marry an America. David lost his throne over it and Wallis was far superior, in EVERY way possible, to me,me, me, me, me, me, MEEEEEEEEEghan!
Sparkles is not just a "DEM"...she's a SOCIAL DEMOCRAT, FAAAAAAAAR LEFTY, SJW, PC, CLIMATE CHANGE, FEMINAZI, UBER ANTI-TRUMPER moron! And no, the majority of people in the UK aren't these things, the Brits have turned on the stinking Labor idiot and stinking COMMIE...Jeremy Corbyn.
And HELL NO...she does NOT "fit in" in the UK! You need to read the comments sections of the newspapers I've previous listed.
The Harkles are NOT "celebs, they are members of the Royal Family and are PAID BY THE TAX PAYER, one way or another, from a few different sources! And though they are NOT allowed, BY LAW and TRADITION, to make money for themselves in commercial ways...MeAgain is doing just that. It's going to come back and bite her & Harry, sooner rather than later!
Re what her father has always done FOR her...yes, it was his choice; however,apparently he's never been all that good in handling his own money and he spoilt her rotten!
And until she hooked hapless Harry, she called him, wrote loving cards and letters to him, and posted glowing things, constantly on her moronic blog! And then...ALL OF A SUDDEN, she ghosted him and then turned on him, telling the cretinous Harry that she "had no loving family" at all!
What her paternal siblings said about her is all true; so what if some of them made money from it?
Her old BFF also got ghosted and dumped, as soon as they proved to not be "useful" any more!
Nobody attended her FIRST wedding which the groom's parents quickly had annulled!
Her father not only went to her SECOND wedding...he helped pay for some of it!
Now that old MeAgain has decided that she is "black", she trots out her mother, whom she was NEVER all that close to and who abandoned her for decades and did NOT ever support her.
Harry has the IQ of 3 day roadkill. He hasn't ever grown up at all and all of his crazy stunts have been hidden/laughed off/excused in the past. None of the more suitable girls he ever seriously dated wanted to be tied to this loser; which should give you a hint about what he's REALLY like.
In earlier time, Price Philip would have taken him in hand and this marriage NEVER would have happened. In even earlier times, he would have been married off to some suitable minor princess of Aristo and that would have been that.
Are you British?
Yes, technically, the BRF are not celebrities. I’m just describing how I, as an American, view them, in terms of their importance.
I have read the Brits’ comments. They’re flipping out because she’s an American actress. If she were a Brit of royal background, they wouldn’t be in such an uproar.
Where are you reading that there was another husband before her ex-husband?
I looked up more info, and I see that, while some news reports say the father didn’t attend her first (you would say “second”) wedding, others say he did. But, the news source that says he did attend also claims her parents were the only attendees from her side of the family. If true, then her half-siblings and other relatives didn’t go to that wedding, either.
Where are you reading that her mother abandoned her for decades?
Why do people keep going on and on today about their friends “ghosting” them? In the old days, people and their friends moved on and eventually lost touch. We called that “life.” I don’t understand all the whining people do about that today.
Now, family is a different matter. Family should try to stay connected in some way. On a personal note, I love my large extended family. I’d do anything for my immediate family. But, if my family members were trashing me to the news media, I would stop speaking with them.
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