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Why Don't Black Holes Swallow All of Space? This Explanation Is Blowing Our Minds
https://www.sciencealert.com ^ | Aug 16, 2021 | MIKE MCRAE

Posted on 08/16/2021 11:38:08 AM PDT by Red Badger

Black holes are great at sucking up matter. So great, in fact, that not even light can escape their grasp (hence the name).

But given their talent for consumption, why don't black holes just keep expanding and expanding and simply swallow the Universe? In 2018, one of the world's top physicists came up with a dazzling explanation.

Conveniently, the idea could also unite the two biggest theories in all of physics.

The researcher behind this explanation is none other than Stanford University physicist Leonard Susskind, also known as one of the fathers of string theory.

He gave his two cents on the paradox in a series of papers, which basically suggest that black holes expand by increasing in complexity inwardly – a feature we just don't see connected while watching from afar.

In other words, they expand in, not out.

Weirder still, this hypothesis might have a parallel in the expansion of our own Universe, which also seems to be growing in a counterintuitive way.

"I think it's a very, very interesting question whether the cosmological growth of space is connected to the growth of some kind of complexity," Susskind was quoted in The Atlantic.

"And whether the cosmic clock, the evolution of the Universe, is connected with the evolution of complexity. There, I don't know the answer."

Susskind might be speculating on the Universe's evolution, but his thoughts on why black holes grow in more than they do out is worth unpacking. Of course, by its very nature, this type of research is theoretical, and not easily verified or disproved through the process of peer review.

But there are some pretty cool idea in here worth unpacking. To do that, we need to go back to basics for a moment. So... hang tight.

Put simply, black holes are dense masses that distort space to the extent that even light (read: information) lacks the escape velocity required to make an exit.

The first solid theoretical underpinnings for such an object emerged naturally out of the mathematics behind Einstein's general relativity back in 1915. Since then, physical objects matching those predictions have been spotted, often hanging around the centers of galaxies.

A common analogy is to imagine the dimensions of space plus time as a smooth rubber sheet. Much as a heavy object dimples the rubber sheet, mass distorts the geometry of spacetime.

The properties of our Universe's rubber sheet means it can form a deep gravity funnel that stretches 'down' without stretching much further 'out'.

Most objects expand 'out' as you add material, not 'in'. So how do we even begin to picture this? Rubber sheets are useful analogies, but only up to a certain point.

To understand how matter behaves against this super stretchy backdrop, we need to look elsewhere. Luckily, physics has a second rule book on how the Universe works called quantum mechanics, which describes how particles and their forces interact.

The two rule books of general relativity and quantum mechanics don't always agree, though. Small things interpreted through the lens of general relativity don't make much sense. And big things like black holes produce gibberish when the rules of quantum mechanics are applied.

This means we're missing something important – something that would allow us to interpret general relativity's space-bending feature in terms of finite masses and force-mediating particles.

One contender is something called anti-de Sitter/conformal field theory correspondence, shortened to Ads/CFT. This is a 'string theory meets four-dimensional space' kind of idea, aiming to bring the best of both quantum mechanics and general relativity together.

Based on its framework, the quantum complexity of a black hole – the number of steps required to return it to a pre-black hole state – is reflected in its volume.

The same thinking is what lies behind another brain-breaking idea called the holographic principle. The exact details aren't for the faint-hearted, but remain freely available on arXiv if you want to get your mathematics fix for the day.

It might sound a bit like downloading movies onto your desktop only to find it's now 'bigger' on the inside. As ludicrous as it sounds, in the extreme environment of a black hole more computational power might indeed mean more internal volume. At least this is what Susskind's Ads/CFT modelling suggests.

String theory itself is one of those nice ideas begging for an empirical win, so we're still a long way from marrying quantum mechanics and general relativity.

Susskind's suggestion that quantum complexity is ultimately responsible for the volume of a black hole has physicists thinking through the repercussions. After all, black holes aren't like ordinary space, so we can't expect ordinary rules to apply.

But if anybody is worth listening to on the subject, it's probably this guy.

The lectures were originally made available on the preprint server arXiv, and in 2020 were published as a book.

A version of this article was first published in December 2018.


TOPICS: Astronomy; Education; History; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: astronomy; generalrelativity; informationparadox; physics; quantummechanics; science; speedofdark; stringtheory
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1 posted on 08/16/2021 11:38:08 AM PDT by Red Badger
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To: SunkenCiv; MtnClimber

Ping!....................


2 posted on 08/16/2021 11:38:35 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

Maybe they would, given time.


3 posted on 08/16/2021 11:45:57 AM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: Red Badger

4 posted on 08/16/2021 11:46:54 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Red Badger

The properties of our Universe’s rubber sheet means it can form a deep gravity funnel that stretches ‘down’ without stretching much further ‘out’.


That or turtles all the way down.......................


5 posted on 08/16/2021 11:47:18 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Red Badger

I’m rubber, you’re glue, stretch me ‘till I’m turtle blue.


6 posted on 08/16/2021 11:49:21 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: Red Badger

Must. Resist. Making.The. Obvious. Joke.


7 posted on 08/16/2021 11:50:16 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (When your business model depends on slave labor, you're always going to need more slaves)
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To: Sgt_Schultze

kamala


8 posted on 08/16/2021 11:50:47 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (When your business model depends on slave labor, you're always going to need more slaves)
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To: Red Badger
"Expanding inward"

I've been working on perfecting nutritional supplements that use the anti-de Sitter/conformal field theory correspondence. Taken daily, you expand inward, not outward.

Watch for the patent pending capsules on Amazon any day now.

9 posted on 08/16/2021 11:50:59 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“Criminal democrats kill babies. Do you think anything else is a problem for them?”)
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10 posted on 08/16/2021 11:52:51 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Red Badger

“They expand inward”.

That’s better than the overused “because”.


11 posted on 08/16/2021 12:31:52 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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12 posted on 08/16/2021 12:35:20 PM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. P144:1)
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The opposite problem is actually the case: how did some black holes (supermassive and beyond) grow so large? Based on the matter density of the universe and calculating even from the earliest possible starting point (shortly after star formation began in our universe), you don’t get anything remotely close to supermassive black hole size. In fact, what you find when you run those numbers are the largest of the stellar black holes. So those black holes formed as we understand it today and grew over time to their size today.

But there’s an enormous gap in size where we don’t see many black holes. In fact, there’s debate about whether any of the objects in the “intermediate” class are actually black holes. If the largest ones grew naturally, there should be some of just about every size from the smallest to the largest. Instead, we’ve got small and super-sized.


13 posted on 08/16/2021 12:45:52 PM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

Thus the need for ‘Dark Matter’...................


14 posted on 08/16/2021 12:49:32 PM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

The thinking behind this absurd idea is similar in intelligence to Xiden’s management of Afghanistan...


15 posted on 08/16/2021 1:07:46 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another Sam Adams now that we desperately need him?)
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To: Red Badger

He’s basically saying Black Holes are constipated, other than the plasma gas they emit, nothing gets out.


16 posted on 08/16/2021 1:11:13 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Red Badger

Cool article!

I thought Leonard Susskind was dead, so, that was a surprise too.


17 posted on 08/16/2021 1:21:06 PM PDT by Conan the Librarian (Conan the Sailing Librarian)
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To: Red Badger; 6SJ7; AdmSmith; AFPhys; Arkinsaw; allmost; aristotleman; autumnraine; bajabaja; ...
Thanks Red Badger.


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The researcher behind this explanation is none other than Stanford University physicist Leonard Susskind, also known as one of the fathers of string theory.

18 posted on 08/16/2021 1:31:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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They ARE swallowing all of space. They’re just gettin’ started, sheesh. Give ‘em a trillion years or so. Let them do their job.


19 posted on 08/16/2021 1:35:29 PM PDT by Kevmo ( 600 political prisoners in Washington, DC. You cannot comply your way out of tyranny.)
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To: Red Badger

So it’s not volume, it’s complexity that grows. Oddly, this makes intuitive sense.


20 posted on 08/16/2021 1:38:01 PM PDT by Track9 (Liberalism is a far worse virus. )
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