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Doug Glanville: Why I'm OK with Barry Bonds not being elected to the Hall of Fame
ESPN ^ | 1/31

Posted on 01/31/2022 2:11:31 PM PST by nickcarraway

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1 posted on 01/31/2022 2:11:31 PM PST by nickcarraway
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Ridiculous. Steroids or not he was already a star.
Are they allowing anyone from the 90’s?


2 posted on 01/31/2022 2:15:29 PM PST by EEGator
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To: EEGator

Also, Pete Rose should be in the HoF.


3 posted on 01/31/2022 2:16:50 PM PST by EEGator
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To: EEGator

Shoeless Joe Jackson was a star. He is isn’t in the HOF.


4 posted on 01/31/2022 2:17:10 PM PST by nickcarraway
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He should be too.
Jock sniffers act like the HoF is like a church.
Sactimonious BS…


5 posted on 01/31/2022 2:20:11 PM PST by EEGator
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To: nickcarraway

I’ve always felt there should be a Baseball Hall of Fame ‘outhouse’ - a separate wing, maybe even a separate building for players who were clearly outstanding but did something to besmirch the game. Pete Rose, some of Black Sox players, a number of the steroid boys would be obvious candidates.


6 posted on 01/31/2022 2:20:12 PM PST by Stosh
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To: nickcarraway

Most players want to compete on a level playing field without drugs. If their competitor is using drugs they are inclinced to do so alike.

The solution is not difficult.

1. Random drug tests during season and off season. These must be often.

2. One positive test and you have repeat testing immediately by 3 other labs. If all are positive, an automatic suspension of 2 years and large fines.

3. The second positive test after suspension will get the “death penalty” of you never play professional sports again.

It pains me greatly to see the old records being beaten by men using steroids. When old records are beaten legitimately it give me joy and respect for the new champion.


7 posted on 01/31/2022 2:23:01 PM PST by cpdiii (CANE CUTTER-DECKHAND-ROUGHNECK-OILFIELD CONSULTANT-GEOLOGIST-PILOT-PHARMACIST )
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To: EEGator

Pete can go in once he finishes his lifetime suspension that he agreed to.


8 posted on 01/31/2022 2:23:02 PM PST by kosciusko51
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To: EEGator

Especially given that the MLB now has an official sports betting partner.


9 posted on 01/31/2022 2:25:49 PM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: nickcarraway

Excluding the Bad Boys from fame never seems to work.

One of the Seven Wonders of the ancient world was the Temple of Artemis. A magnificent structure that was sadly burned down by someone named Herostratus. It seems that Herostratus wanted to be famous and, since he didn’t have very much going for him, Herostratus decided that burning down a major landmark was the best way to have everyone know the name of Herostratus.

As part of his punishment, it was decreed that the name of Herostratus would be stricken from the records. No one would know the name of Herostratus, and Herostratus would not be famous at all, as no one would ever know what Herostratus did.

But, obviously, someone wrote the story down. The dude’s kind of famous.


10 posted on 01/31/2022 2:26:37 PM PST by ClearCase_guy ("If you see something, say something"? I see people dying from vaccines.)
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To: nickcarraway

When Bonds was a kid playing for the Pirates he was shaped like a normal human being. Good speed and fun to watch. He was good enough to get them to the post season, and then he would choke when the chips were down. Always a brides-maid. That’s how I remember him.

The post-Pirates Bond was a swollen, man-made cheat-freak. It will raise my currently very low opinion of the powers that be in MLB if he doesn’t make the HOF.


11 posted on 01/31/2022 2:28:45 PM PST by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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And yet why do I know this author would wholeheartedly enforce transgender women into the hall of fame for their awesome bravery…


12 posted on 01/31/2022 2:30:38 PM PST by Skywise
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To: nickcarraway

I quit caring a long time ago. Now days anything the media has a say in is worthless. Many writers voted against Curt Schilling because of his political beliefs. Also consider, many ballplayers in the 60’s took amphetamines.


13 posted on 01/31/2022 2:30:41 PM PST by alternatives? (The only reason to have an army is to defend your borders.)
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To: EEGator

It helps to first read the article.


14 posted on 01/31/2022 2:30:48 PM PST by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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Most players did not cheat. Ken Griffey Jr. did not cheat. These cheaters, by their drug enhancement, affected every single baseball game they played in. It’s a joke that someone like Pete Rose, whose gambling did not affect the outcome of a single game, is not eligible for the Hall, while these individuals are on the ballot.


15 posted on 01/31/2022 2:32:22 PM PST by bort
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To: nickcarraway
Glanville makes a pretty convincing argument here. Standards matter. Cheating ought to have consequences even if the specific form of cheating wasn't specifically forbidden.

Buck Weaver, star 3rd basemen for the 1919 Chicago White Sox, never took a nickel to throw a World Series game. But he got the same penalty as the other seven who did because he sat on the information. Eddie Cicotte took only the $5000 which Owner Charles Comiskey promised him and cheated him out of, but he suffered the same penalty as the players who took all the bribe.

16 posted on 01/31/2022 2:32:54 PM PST by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: Jacquerie

This is FR, I don’t have to read anything but the title.


17 posted on 01/31/2022 2:37:13 PM PST by EEGator
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To: Stosh

That would be an idea.


18 posted on 01/31/2022 2:40:32 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: cpdiii

“It pains me greatly to see the old records being beaten by men using steroids. When old records are beaten legitimately it give me joy and respect for the new champion.”

And here is the problem.

I’d actually consider these people acceptable for the Hall of Fame if the records they supposedly “hold” were voided. Henry Aaron was and is the home run king AFAIK, and Roger Maris/Babe Ruth for the single season record (yes, I know about THAT controversy).

With better drug testing, I don’t know if the PED records will EVER be beaten. This is inherently unfair. Or, we do an equivalent to the Saturday Night Live “All Drug Olympics” where ANY drug is legal, and in fact encouraged, by the sport.


19 posted on 01/31/2022 2:40:36 PM PST by The Antiyuppie (When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Infamous.


20 posted on 01/31/2022 2:41:38 PM PST by nickcarraway
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