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8oth Anniversary Doolittle Raid
self | April 18, 2022 | Self

Posted on 04/18/2022 11:53:45 AM PDT by Retain Mike

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Jimmy Doolittle's co-pilot, retired Air Force Lt. Col. Richard “Dick” Cole, was the last living raider and died April 7, 2019 at 103 years. I knew so many men like him as I grew up and throughout my years. I knew an ace who served in the Flying Tigers, a ranger who scaled Point-Du-Hoc, a UDT sailor who cleared surf obstacles before the Okinawa landing, and a man with the 10th Mountain Infantry who received two silver stars and was the only one of eight officers in his company to land in Italy and soldier through the102 days until the Germans surrendered.

Now like Richard Cole all the men I knew have passed as well. I do not plan to forget them and will post this story annually to help others remember.

1 posted on 04/18/2022 11:53:45 AM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: Retain Mike

I vividly remember (I was a 9-year-old) the elation and celebration when the American public was made aware of this attack on those stinking japs...


2 posted on 04/18/2022 12:40:22 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another Sam Adams now that we desperately need him?)
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To: Retain Mike

Thanks for the post.

I read “Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo” when I was a young and it left a lasting impression.


3 posted on 04/18/2022 12:45:32 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin ( (Natural born citizens are born here of citizen parents)(Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Retain Mike

Thank you for the reminder of this historic mission. I remember hearing stories of how the Doolittle raid lifted the morale of the country, so soon after Pearl Harbor.

Remember this happened in April 1942. History tells us that the Axis powers had reached their maximum territory occupied in November and December of 1942. The outcome of the war was far from certain then.

While history tells us that we won World War II, it was not at all certain in those dark days of 1942 that we would emerge victorious.


4 posted on 04/18/2022 12:49:19 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Retain Mike

Thanks for posting.


5 posted on 04/18/2022 12:51:30 PM PDT by packrat35 (Pelosi is only on loan to the world from Satan. Hopefully he will soon want his baby killer back)
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To: SuperLuminal
I vividly remember (I was a 9-year-old) the elation and celebration when the American public was made aware of this attack on those stinking japs...

If the American public knew the whole story about that raid (and about the approximately 250,000 Chinese lives lost to the Japanese response), the celebrations would almost certainly have been much less sanguine.

www.smithsonianmag.com

(In terms of innocent blood lost, that raid was arguably the most expensive morale-building exercise in U.S. military history.)

6 posted on 04/18/2022 1:14:47 PM PDT by Captain Walker ("If you think tough men are dangerous, wait until you see what weak men are capable of."- J Peterson)
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To: SuperLuminal

Doolittle’s autobiography is here:

https://www.amazon.com/Could-Never-Be-Lucky-Again/dp/0553584642/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1CP90VILBXMV3&keywords=doolittle+biography&qid=1650307159&sprefix=doolittle+biography%2Caps%2C1457&sr=8-2

Man did much, much more than just lead a raid on Tokyo.


7 posted on 04/18/2022 1:48:22 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan (qd4)
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To: Retain Mike
Thanks Retain Mike.

8 posted on 04/18/2022 2:51:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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“...(In terms of innocent blood lost, that raid was arguably the most expensive morale-building exercise in U.S. military history.)”

Although I’m sure you didn’t mean it, your post sounds like we had some culpability for the subsequent Japanese butchery, we did not. The horrors and atrocities committed by the Japanese in response to that raid and for the help the Chinese gave our downed American pilots is solely the responsibility of Japan.

That raid was brilliant and audacious, and that raid had a profound effect on the Japanese psyche and war strategy going forward. Their new fear of an attack on the Emperor and their home islands caused them to tie down many more resources than they had ever planned.

The Doolittle Raid was one of the best examples of why those Americans are truly in the running for the moniker, the Greatest (American) Generation.


9 posted on 04/18/2022 3:03:38 PM PDT by PTBAA
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Although I’m sure you didn’t mean it, your post sounds like we had some culpability for the subsequent Japanese butchery, we did not. The horrors and atrocities committed by the Japanese in response to that raid and for the help the Chinese gave our downed American pilots is solely the responsibility of Japan.

Even as the US anticipated a vicious response against China by Japan, I agree that the crimes committed by the Japanese are solely the responsibility of the Japanese that committed them; I am in no way implying any guilt by association.

I would only point out whatever we gained by that raid was overwhelmed by the Chinese blood lost in response to it; had the prediction of 250,000 dead Chinese ever come up before the raid, it would have been immoral to carry it out, as it would have failed the proportionality test.

10 posted on 04/18/2022 3:20:04 PM PDT by Captain Walker ("If you think tough men are dangerous, wait until you see what weak men are capable of."- J Peterson)
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To: Retain Mike

BTTP

Awesome work, Retain Mike !


11 posted on 04/18/2022 3:58:06 PM PDT by nicollo
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Three or so keywords, sorted, duplicates out, non-WWII topics (I think) edited out:

12 posted on 04/18/2022 4:06:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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Bttt.

5.56mm


13 posted on 04/18/2022 4:18:24 PM PDT by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho need to go.)
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To: Captain Walker
The problem with that line of thinking is that the Japanese were killing the Chinese in job lots long before the raid and continued after.

It is sort of along the lines of, "because you told Jane her job performance sucked she went home and beat her kids".

Jane has been beating her kids since they were born and will continue to do so until she is dead, they are dead or she is in jail.

Evil people do evil things.

14 posted on 04/18/2022 4:30:29 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (It is better to light a single flame thrower then curse the darkness. A bunch of them is better yet)
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The problem with that line of thinking is that the Japanese were killing the Chinese in job lots long before the raid and continued after.

The actions taken by the Japanese in the aftermath of the Doolittle Raid were specifically against those parts of China where they knew the Americans would have had to land the bombers (or bail out of them); the Japanese actions here were done purely out of retaliation against the Chinese for their (presumed) assistance to the American airmen.

That the Japanese were barbaric to the Chinese before and after the Doolittle Raid is, I think, obvious to us all. But if you're suggesting that the Japanese military would have mobilized a week after the Doolittle Raid and gone on a tear for a month to destroy some 20,000 square miles of China and murder an estimated 250,000 people over something else, I don't buy it.

This was the price paid for the Doolittle Raid; while we may not have intended it, we stuck an ally with the bill.

15 posted on 04/18/2022 4:58:30 PM PDT by Captain Walker ("If you think tough men are dangerous, wait until you see what weak men are capable of."- J Peterson)
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Their goal was to kill off the Chinese race. Would they have done it at that time? Maybe not.

Would they have done it at some point?

Absolutely.

It was sort of like the Warsaw uprising. Did the Nazi's kill everyone involved they could get their hands on? Yes. Were they planning on killing them at some point anyway? Yep.

You would be on far firmer ground in the case of Reinhard Heydrich's assassination as the Czechs were not slated for whole scale extermination in any case.

16 posted on 04/18/2022 5:23:54 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (It is better to light a single flame thrower then curse the darkness. A bunch of them is better yet)
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And if the Japanese threatened to kill a million Chinese for every island we retook from them, should we have sued for peace and let them keep what they murdered to take?

We were attacked, our possessions taken, and our people killed. We were at war, and letting them subjugate the world because of what we were afraid they might do, would have been, in my mind, a greater immorality.


17 posted on 04/18/2022 5:50:56 PM PDT by PTBAA
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We were at war, and letting them subjugate the world because of what we were afraid they might do, would have been, in my mind, a greater immorality.

If we knew that 250,000 Chinese would die as a result of what was largely a morale-building exercise, should we have asked China for that country's input?

18 posted on 04/18/2022 6:06:03 PM PDT by Captain Walker ("If you think tough men are dangerous, wait until you see what weak men are capable of."- J Peterson)
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To: Retain Mike

My father met him several times. Gen. Doolittle was on the board at Mutual of Omaha. Nothing but good things to say about the man.


19 posted on 04/18/2022 6:14:53 PM PDT by Mean Daddy (Every time Hillary lies, a demon gets its wings. - Windflier)
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My father met him several times. Gen. Doolittle was on the board at Mutual of Omaha. Nothing but good things to say about the man.

In contrast to the completely immoral losers making up the boards of major corporations today.

20 posted on 04/18/2022 6:23:05 PM PDT by hopespringseternal
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