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Rome fell due to rise of homosexuality: Expert
The Indian Express ^ | 04/09/2011 | Staff

Posted on 07/23/2022 10:23:07 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski

A top Italian history professor has caused outrage after he claimed that the Roman Empire fell due to the rise of homosexuality.

Roberto De Mattei, 63, a devout Roman Catholic, had already raised eyebrows by saying the Japan tsunami was "divine punishment", and now with his latest claim he faces calls to resign.

"The collapse of the Roman Empire and the arrival of the Barbarians was due to the spread of homosexuality," the Daily Mail quoted the vice-president of Italy's prestigious Centre for National Research as saying in a radio interview.

"The Roman colony of Carthage was a paradise for homosexuals and they infected many others. The invasion of the Barbarians was seen as punishment for this moral transgression.

"It is well known effeminate men and homosexuals have no place in the kingdom of God.

"Homosexuality was not rife among the Barbarians and this shows God's justice comes throughout history," he stated.

Fellow historians, gay rights groups and politicians expressed their outrage over his claims.

"I have tabled an urgent call for the education minister to intervene," Paola Concia, an MP with the Democratic Left, said.

Italian homosexual groups said the professor's comments were "based on superstition, ridiculous and outrageous" and called on him to resign from his Rome-based post…

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To: odawg

“...anyone not a homosexual could not get into government.
...That has already started in our universities.”

Ain’t that the truth.


41 posted on 07/23/2022 11:04:42 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (To the barricades !!!)
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To: PeterPrinciple

Homersexuality

Greek style


42 posted on 07/23/2022 11:06:18 AM PDT by wardaddy (Lawyers guns and money……I lived it…. Now I'm old…. I have wonderful children)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

“ I’ve discovered that it’s better to be hated by this world than loved by it. To be loved by it means the devil has a temporary use for you. And then he destroys you. ”

Truth


43 posted on 07/23/2022 11:08:37 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast (Make Orwell Fiction Again)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

America is right behind Rome and the Greeks. We already have pestilence, disease and will have famine shortly, thanks to Joe, Obozo and Soros.


44 posted on 07/23/2022 11:10:11 AM PDT by chopperk
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Actually, both Gibbon and De Mattei can be right, and most likely are, at the same time.


45 posted on 07/23/2022 11:12:37 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast (Make Orwell Fiction Again)
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To: Jan_Sobieski
Roberto De Mattei, 63, a devout Roman Catholic, had already raised eyebrows by saying the Japan tsunami was "divine punishment", and now with his latest claim he faces calls to resign.

Divine punishment for what?

46 posted on 07/23/2022 11:14:37 AM PDT by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. )
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To: Jan_Sobieski
Italian homosexual groups said the professor's comments were "based on superstition, ridiculous and outrageous" and called on him to resign from his Rome-based post…

Show me one example of a thriving homosexual society in history.

47 posted on 07/23/2022 11:15:22 AM PDT by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. )
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To: Scott from the Left Coast

Christians not sending their kids to a fight for morally corrupted Rome is a symptom, not a root cause.


48 posted on 07/23/2022 11:15:55 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

If he’s going to make an argument that widespread hosexuality led to a decline in birth rates, I’d listen. But “God punished them because they were homosexuals” is not a legitimate argument from a historian.


gods have been a part of history since forever.

so the point of history and historians is not quite proper as argument.

So the real question is Who is God and what does He want?

Do not take this as a personal challenge of right and wrong, but one of reflection.


49 posted on 07/23/2022 11:19:17 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Monterrosa-24

Duh

Alabama blue counties you refer to are black dominated

Surely you’re not ignorant of that

Alabama is 28% black

Illinois is half that

Whites in Alabama voted 78% for Trump

Illinois around 60%


50 posted on 07/23/2022 11:26:01 AM PDT by wardaddy (Lawyers guns and money……I lived it…. Now I'm old…. I have wonderful children)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

It is something so obvious that a lot of people can’t see it, missing the forest for the trees sort of thing.

A society that not only tolerates but elevates men finding gratification in each other’s a-holes is, by definition, dysfunctional and corrupt. We’ve actually progressed beyond that, in that we are encouraging these deviant behaviors among children to the point where pre-pubescent kids are now encouraged to take hormones in preparation for sexual “reassignment”.

No discussion is needed. We’re screwed.


51 posted on 07/23/2022 11:26:10 AM PDT by fr_freak ( )
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To: Clutch Martin
Studied Gibbons, and Roman history... in a formal setting. Is there a citing you could refer the readers to.

I am not a historian. However Roberto De Mattei, A top Italian history professor has written extensively on this subject. Read his works.
52 posted on 07/23/2022 11:26:22 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

It’s possible - but I thought such debauchery was endemic to the Roman and Greek Empires and their culture and, if not, it was certainly prevalent for almost a hundred years.

OTOH - you can point to the rise of Christ and Christianity as the movement that corrected it - but then gave rise to it again (in an ironic fashion)


55 posted on 07/23/2022 11:37:21 AM PDT by Skywise
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To: Jan_Sobieski

The not sending their kids to fight is a secondary (or even much smaller) effect of the impact of Christianity on Rome. Christianity’s social impact as a response to the decadence and perversion of Roman society was broader and deeper - and the collapse of the Roman military was also broader than Christians opting out. (though we are about to see the same impact here with the once-vaunted American military). Christianity as an exploding movement had a huge impact on tipping Rome over…as did overall Roman decadence and social perversion did over many centuries from the fall of the original Republic…and homosexuality played a major role in fostering that decadence.


56 posted on 07/23/2022 11:38:00 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast (Make Orwell Fiction Again)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

The title of the thread: “Rome fell due to rise of homosexuality: Expert.”

No; Rome fell because it became a bloated and self-serving and self-perpetuating bureaucracy.


57 posted on 07/23/2022 11:39:25 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: ought-six

Amazing. You must be smart to know more than Italy’s top historian. Or you are simply a confidently ill informed Freeper.


58 posted on 07/23/2022 11:44:00 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: PeterPrinciple
Obviously God and religion are both part of history. The problem is that if you're just going to skip right to "it's God's will that they were destroyed because they were evil", them there's no room left for historical analysis. Civil wars, disease, currency debasement, elimination of the middle and farming classes, corruption, etc., all become irrelevant. There's nothing left to teach.
59 posted on 07/23/2022 11:44:56 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Skywise
OTOH - you can point to the rise of Christ and Christianity as the movement that corrected it - but then gave rise to it again (in an ironic fashion)

Early Rome, like early Greece and early USA, was virtuous and masculine. Family and business were vaunted and protected. It slouched to Gammorah.
60 posted on 07/23/2022 11:47:00 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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