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Rome fell due to rise of homosexuality: Expert
The Indian Express ^ | 04/09/2011 | Staff

Posted on 07/23/2022 10:23:07 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski

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To: BipolarBob
Homosexuality is just one of the markers in a corrupt and decaying society. It may not be the root cause but is a characteristic of decline in the glue that holds an empire together.

That's a different and entirely legitimate argument for a historian to make.

61 posted on 07/23/2022 11:47:51 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Rummyfan
Show me one example of a thriving homosexual society in history.

The Spartans.

However, they knew if they expanded, they would not be able to keep a stable society.

Homosexuality is a way they kept their population down.

62 posted on 07/23/2022 11:49:38 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Romans became lovers of pleasure. In short, they became soft.


63 posted on 07/23/2022 11:51:16 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Biden told Al Roker "America is back". Unfortunately, he meant back to the 1970's)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Heck, that was discussed in one of my high school Western Civ classes. A teacher even said that the rise of and widespread acceptance of homosexuality is a sign of a decadent civilization.


64 posted on 07/23/2022 11:52:53 AM PDT by Allegra
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Maybe this iteration we’ll figure out how to stop it! :D


65 posted on 07/23/2022 11:54:24 AM PDT by Skywise
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To: Menehune56

The democrats are the barbarians. obama and biden and bill clinton are the gay man and pedophiles along with those they bring into the gov’t with them.


66 posted on 07/23/2022 11:54:53 AM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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To: marktwain

Sparta : The exception that proves the rule?


67 posted on 07/23/2022 11:54:57 AM PDT by Honest Nigerian
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To: Jan_Sobieski

“Amazing. You must be smart to know more than Italy’s top historian. Or you are simply a confidently ill informed Freeper.”

My university degree is in History. I’ve studied history since I was a little kid. I’ve read all the essentials, and then some (including the seminal Livy and the later Gibbon). The consensus is what I have said: Rome fell because it became a top-heavy bureaucracy that could not handle Rome’s many and varied interests, and that bureaucracy became too absorbed with itself and neglected the Empire. There may have been buggery, as every culture has had it do one degree or another; but buggery did not cause the collapse of the Empire.


68 posted on 07/23/2022 11:56:39 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

IMO the primary reason for why Rome fell was due to an inability to adequately perform regime succession without debilitating civil war. Even when they didn’t have a civil war to decide the next emperor it was too often a precarious strength sapping situation for the new emperor.


69 posted on 07/23/2022 11:57:20 AM PDT by Reily
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To: ought-six

Ok, fair enough


70 posted on 07/23/2022 11:57:26 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Reily

Yeah, there are a bunch of good theories with evidence behind them. That’s what historians are supposed to do.


71 posted on 07/23/2022 11:58:27 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Look at the destruction the homos are causing to our society.


72 posted on 07/23/2022 12:00:25 PM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

This was widely taught 50 years ago.


73 posted on 07/23/2022 12:02:47 PM PDT by G Larry (Anybody notice that Satan is hard at work?)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Yes and when I fight its codification even on a Republican central committee I am met with puzzlement.


74 posted on 07/23/2022 12:17:40 PM PDT by Persevero (You cannot comply your way out of tyranny. )
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To: marktwain

“Christians were better at reproducing.”

We still are.


75 posted on 07/23/2022 12:19:12 PM PDT by Persevero (You cannot comply your way out of tyranny. )
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To: fr_freak

It’s coprophilia. It’s like we are living in an insane asylum.

It’s both a symptom and a cause of a dying civilization. Seems to get the upper hand during prosperous times.


76 posted on 07/23/2022 12:22:02 PM PDT by Persevero (You cannot comply your way out of tyranny. )
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To: Jan_Sobieski

If you could get cancelled for teaching false things, there would be scarcely a professor to offer a theology class in a Catholic university. But as a matter of history, his assertion is hard to believe: Rome was overflowing with nonconsensual homosexuality from the days of its founding. As a matter of Catholic thought, the Catholic position is that the Roman Empire didn’t so much as fall, as it was supplanted by Christianity: instead of politically conquering the Barbarian tribes as Rome did, Christendom converted the Barbarians; the Barbarians defeated Rome militarily piece-by-piece, but in doing so, became no longer Barbarians. Eventually, Christendom became dominated in the West by various Catholic kingdoms, none of which were part of the Empire, but all of which had become “Roman”; in the East by the Orthodox Church and the “Byzantine” Empire; and in the South, the Gnostic and Arians who later became Muslims.


77 posted on 07/23/2022 12:26:33 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

Reading a bit more on this, I see the point beign made: It’s not so much that homosexuality caused the collapse of Rome, but that Christianity’s incompatibility with homosexuality caused the collapse of Rome. I’d argue that THIS is correct.


78 posted on 07/23/2022 12:30:15 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Reily

>> IMO the primary reason for why Rome fell was due to an inability to adequately perform regime succession without debilitating civil war. <<

Is this not sort of agreeing with the historian? Why was regime succession so difficult? (The ONLY thing American democracy has proved successful at it is regime succession; since the 1930s, not one major political move was accomplished through democratic means, as opposed to by judicial fiat or executive refusal to obey the law.)


79 posted on 07/23/2022 12:33:23 PM PDT by dangus
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To: BipolarBob
Homosexuality is just one of the markers in a corrupt and decaying society. It may not be the root cause but is a characteristic of decline in the glue that holds an empire together.

Very well said. Deserves a repeat.

80 posted on 07/23/2022 12:48:20 PM PDT by Boomer ( George Orwell: “During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” )
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