Posted on 07/23/2022 10:23:07 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski
That's a different and entirely legitimate argument for a historian to make.
The Spartans.
However, they knew if they expanded, they would not be able to keep a stable society.
Homosexuality is a way they kept their population down.
Romans became lovers of pleasure. In short, they became soft.
Heck, that was discussed in one of my high school Western Civ classes. A teacher even said that the rise of and widespread acceptance of homosexuality is a sign of a decadent civilization.
Maybe this iteration we’ll figure out how to stop it! :D
The democrats are the barbarians. obama and biden and bill clinton are the gay man and pedophiles along with those they bring into the gov’t with them.
Sparta : The exception that proves the rule?
“Amazing. You must be smart to know more than Italy’s top historian. Or you are simply a confidently ill informed Freeper.”
My university degree is in History. I’ve studied history since I was a little kid. I’ve read all the essentials, and then some (including the seminal Livy and the later Gibbon). The consensus is what I have said: Rome fell because it became a top-heavy bureaucracy that could not handle Rome’s many and varied interests, and that bureaucracy became too absorbed with itself and neglected the Empire. There may have been buggery, as every culture has had it do one degree or another; but buggery did not cause the collapse of the Empire.
IMO the primary reason for why Rome fell was due to an inability to adequately perform regime succession without debilitating civil war. Even when they didn’t have a civil war to decide the next emperor it was too often a precarious strength sapping situation for the new emperor.
Ok, fair enough
Yeah, there are a bunch of good theories with evidence behind them. That’s what historians are supposed to do.
Look at the destruction the homos are causing to our society.
This was widely taught 50 years ago.
Yes and when I fight its codification even on a Republican central committee I am met with puzzlement.
“Christians were better at reproducing.”
We still are.
It’s coprophilia. It’s like we are living in an insane asylum.
It’s both a symptom and a cause of a dying civilization. Seems to get the upper hand during prosperous times.
If you could get cancelled for teaching false things, there would be scarcely a professor to offer a theology class in a Catholic university. But as a matter of history, his assertion is hard to believe: Rome was overflowing with nonconsensual homosexuality from the days of its founding. As a matter of Catholic thought, the Catholic position is that the Roman Empire didn’t so much as fall, as it was supplanted by Christianity: instead of politically conquering the Barbarian tribes as Rome did, Christendom converted the Barbarians; the Barbarians defeated Rome militarily piece-by-piece, but in doing so, became no longer Barbarians. Eventually, Christendom became dominated in the West by various Catholic kingdoms, none of which were part of the Empire, but all of which had become “Roman”; in the East by the Orthodox Church and the “Byzantine” Empire; and in the South, the Gnostic and Arians who later became Muslims.
Reading a bit more on this, I see the point beign made: It’s not so much that homosexuality caused the collapse of Rome, but that Christianity’s incompatibility with homosexuality caused the collapse of Rome. I’d argue that THIS is correct.
>> IMO the primary reason for why Rome fell was due to an inability to adequately perform regime succession without debilitating civil war. <<
Is this not sort of agreeing with the historian? Why was regime succession so difficult? (The ONLY thing American democracy has proved successful at it is regime succession; since the 1930s, not one major political move was accomplished through democratic means, as opposed to by judicial fiat or executive refusal to obey the law.)
Very well said. Deserves a repeat.
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