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Long-Range HIMARS Missiles Not Needed in Ukraine Yet: Pentagon
Newsweek ^ | 25 Aug, 2022 | EWAN PALMER

Posted on 09/15/2022 7:49:07 AM PDT by MtnClimber

The U.S. will not be providing Ukraine with long-range missiles amid Russia's invasion, with the Pentagon believing the precision-guided missile systems already provided are "the most relevant munitions for the current fight."

Speaking to reporters Wednesday after President Joe Biden announced an additional $3 billion in military aid to Ukraine, Defense Under Secretary Colin Kahl said long-range Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) munitions, which are capable of hitting targets at a distance of more than 280 kilometers, are not currently needed.

Since June, the U.S. has provided 16 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS), which have played a vital part in Ukraine's ability to fight off the Russian invasion. Currently, Ukraine fires Guided Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (GMLRS) from HIMARS, which have successfully targeted key Russian military targets such as command posts and ammunition depots.

Ukraine has also called for further support by way of potentially hundreds more HIMARS systems, which can also be used to fire ATACMS munitions, that the U.S. has so far not agreed to.

Kahl said during Wednesday's press conference that the GMLRS provided by the U.S., which have a range of around 70 to 80 kilometers, are still the best form of attack for Ukraine, rather than the longer-ranged ATACMS.

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From Wickipedia:

The MGM-140 Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) is a surface-to-surface missile (SSM) manufactured by the U.S. defense company Lockheed Martin. It has a range of up to 190 miles (300 km),[7] with solid propellant, and is 13 feet (4.0 m) high and 24 inches (610 mm) in diameter.

The ATACMS can be fired from the tracked M270 Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS), and the wheeled M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS). An ATACMS launch container has a lid patterned with six circles like a standard MLRS rocket lid, but contains only one missile[1] – the identical pattern makes it more challenging for espionage to single it out as a high-value target.

1 posted on 09/15/2022 7:49:07 AM PDT by MtnClimber
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To: Red Badger; Travis McGee

Are we stumbling into WWIII?


2 posted on 09/15/2022 7:50:29 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: MtnClimber

Only if Putin is far stupider than he looks.


3 posted on 09/15/2022 7:55:16 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: MtnClimber

MGM-140 ATACMS has a range of 190 miles. The distance to Moscow from Kiev is 460 miles.


4 posted on 09/15/2022 7:55:47 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“I used to be nothing but a Deplorable Clinger, but I've been promoted to Brigadier Ultra-MAGA”)
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To: MtnClimber

Soros and Brandon want a nuclear war so badly they can taste it.


5 posted on 09/15/2022 7:56:43 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ( We need to “build back better” on the bones and ashes of those forcing us to “Build Back Better.")
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To: Red Badger; Travis McGee

The ATACMS missile pod is made to look just like the GLMRS pod (that we have already sent to Ukraine). Russia has already said that it is a “trip wire” if we send over the longer range ATACMS system.


6 posted on 09/15/2022 7:56:49 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Soros and Brandon want a nuclear war so badly they can taste it.

Exactly. They think they can build their One World Government out of the rubble.

7 posted on 09/15/2022 7:58:43 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: MtnClimber

Jumping in head first..........................


8 posted on 09/15/2022 8:00:18 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: MtnClimber

Our insane Pentagon has just blinked, and appropriately so. My guess is that Russia effectively communicated what may well be their response, and that is that these missiles could elicit a tactical nuclear response from Russia, then what?

Are we expected to give Ukraine effective control over all of our strategic nuclear forces?

No thanks.


9 posted on 09/15/2022 8:01:33 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: MtnClimber
I hope we are not stumbling into WWIII.

There are better communications than in World Wars I and II.

It is hard to see what any combatant would gain from pushing the conflict outside of Ukraine/Russia.

Both Ukraine and Russia have been careful, so far, to refrain from pushing the conflict outside Ukraine and the border of Russia with Ukraine.

China sees an example of how attempting to regain territory, long independent, can spiral into severe, unwanted, consequences.

It is the opposite of how Hitler did not get any push-back after gobbling up several states.

In this case, the push-back from Ukraine was surprising, and surprisingly effective.

10 posted on 09/15/2022 8:03:34 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: MtnClimber

Well, “we” won’t send ATACMS Romania will. ;)

And what “trip wire”? They’ll start attacking civilians? Act more outrageous?

Their Gulag is dying. They cannot conquer and soon will not be able to hold their ‘republics’. The fake, cobbled together Federation-at-Gunpoint is done. They’re not even a real country. The Kiev Rus are the real Russians. This is why they’re attacking Ukraine. Identity crisis of a dying atheist empire.


11 posted on 09/15/2022 8:04:31 AM PDT by Justa (If where you came from is so great then why aren't Floridians moving there?)
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To: Justa

What world do you live in? LOL


12 posted on 09/15/2022 8:06:41 AM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest

Not in the warped world were people actually think biden wants a nuclear war thats for sure...


13 posted on 09/15/2022 8:09:51 AM PDT by FreshPrince
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To: FreshPrince

How a leftist like you manages to stay here without a zot is amazing.

You just stood up for Biden. I don’t think the current US regime has any problem using tactical nukes as long as they can lay the blame at the feet of another.

Setting people up is what they do.


14 posted on 09/15/2022 8:14:31 AM PDT by dforest
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To: marktwain

“It is hard to see what any combatant would gain from pushing the conflict outside of Ukraine/Russia.”

This isn’t about combatants. This is about the elites who run the world’s politics. They want you dead. You are a resource hog in their world.


15 posted on 09/15/2022 8:19:24 AM PDT by CodeToad (No Arm up! They have!)
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What happened to that big bad Russian attack? Hmm Putin Stooges?


16 posted on 09/15/2022 8:22:29 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: CodeToad
This is about the elites who run the world’s politics.

There is ongoing resistance to those "elites". They are losing power and influence.

It may be they are becoming desperate.

That may make them more dangerous, but their major power is influence through control of information flow.

17 posted on 09/15/2022 8:23:13 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: CodeToad
This isn’t about combatants. This is about the elites who run the world’s politics. They want you dead. You are a resource hog in their world.
That's paranoid. How about you see a psychiatrist for that PutinToady instead of making the forum look crazy?
18 posted on 09/15/2022 8:24:08 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: RFEngineer

What is the point of tactical nukes when they render the territory uninhabitable for years and years? And would likely contaminate neighboring NATO countries. Does not make sense by Putts to use.


19 posted on 09/15/2022 8:27:22 AM PDT by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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To: MtnClimber

Vietnam


20 posted on 09/15/2022 8:28:22 AM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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