Posted on 12/27/2022 6:41:40 AM PST by MtnClimber
Well, here's the medical facts that entirely explain why people with more shots get more covid.
I've been paying attention to this possibility for a while but until the study work came out that proved it all there was is speculation. ADE ("Antibody dependent enhancement") is a fairly poorly-understood thing; most people believe it is confined to making a particular infection more serious than it would otherwise be. Of course having it occur when it otherwise would not fits that quite-nicely, but isn't what people tend to think about.
Now, unfortunately, we have the evidence. Here's the salient graph and lots of discussion which I'll try to recap for you here:
Let me explain this one for you because it makes very clear what's going on. There are multiple sub-types of IgG antibodies. IgG are the last ones that show up; IgA typically is in the mucosa of the nose, and is a "front line" of defense if you will. IgM shows up second; it generally is gone about two weeks or so after you recover. IgG is the "long term" antibody recognition but it has multiple subtypes.
This is very important for human and animal life, because not all things that can elicit a serious immune response should get one. For example: A bee sting. A serious immune response to that could kill you and in people seriously-allergic that's a real risk. So why don't most people get a serious immune response?
As it turns out they sort of do, but its focuses in one sort of IgG build, IgG4, which suppresses the cascade of events that cause the body to go after the thing in question and destroy it, along with all the side effects that produces (fever, serious inflammation, etc.)
Well, when you get Covid typically IgG3 is the one that neutralizes most of the virus. IgG1 and 2 do some of the work, but most of it is done by IgG3. You're not supposed to build an IgG4 response, and with natural infection without vaccination you don't, thus there's no inhibition and your response is and remains effective at neutralizing whatever it is. Typical vaccines (e.g. measles) elicit a response that looks exactly like an actual infection because that's how they're designed and intended; they use the whole virus and their intent is to make your body think it is being invaded by the real deal and respond as it would to the real deal.
SNIP
Remember, IgG4 causes the body to tolerate the infection rather than attack and clear it.
This turns you into a walking virus mutation and production factory, a source of infection to everyone around you and, to the extent that the virus does direct damage to your body systems, and we know the spike does, it also is likely to lead to very severe long-term problems that look like other conditions. Nobody is looking for spike damage specifically in, for example, heart attacks, strokes and pulmonary embolisms, never mind the possibility of potentiating cancer by suppressing immune response if that suppression and tolerance goes beyond Covid, and it very well might. If that's not bad enough everyone that got jabbed has the same profile of response where the normal situation is that responses differ in different people because our body systems operate slightly differently (we're all genetically unique.)
Now who's most-likely to have had the most number of jabs and thus are walking around tolerating infections and giving them others? Health care workers! And who goes to the hospital or doctor? Compromised individuals who can least-withstand infections. Gee, that was smart, right?
What's worse is that we do not know if this is local to Covid or even just coronaviruses. It might not be. We may now have created a couple hundred million people in the US alone who have coded their immune systems to tolerate certain proteins that are common across all manner of respiratory viruses and worse, if its not local to viruses to be more-susceptible to cancer and other immune-sensitive problems with no way to reverse the effects!
I won't bore you with my long list of daily supplements, but they seem to be getting the job done. The BA.1 was my first illness in the last 20 years.
Move over Typhoid Mary, we now have Covid Carrie.
I agree. It’s senseless.
Posted the wrong link
https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1607851199935688704?cxt=HHwWgMDR_biJntAsAAAA
That's a shame, that your buddy Karl shot yourself in the foot on a foot fault, because no one on FreeRepublic has ever been able to authoritatively cite anything even close to "animal testing reliably killed the animals", and "wild enhancement of the infection" has amounted to exactly one South African homo, thusly:
"The mouse story also doesn't account for the two-dozen novel mutations (non-Beta and non-Delta) in Omicron; and neither does a re-engineering attempt, which in doing so, they would have patently avoided novel mutations IF in fact they could have figured out, in the first place, how to neutralize the cytokine storm and the 'shattered glass' pneumonia, by taking down the ACE2 and TMPRSS2 affinities.The mouse story is, at the end of the day, a cover story so that the fact that a South African AIDS patient generated Omicron, is called into question (a la modified limited hangout).
A South African doctor discovered Omicron's Patient Zero, who was an AIDS-riddle f@g.
Two competing theories emerge from there: one is that he was untreated, which would put his immune system somewhere short of death; the other one is that he was on PrEP fostering long-haul COVID.
Both scenarios have viral evolutionary advantages, but prefer the PrEP + (the application and failure of) remdesivir, which subsequently merged Beta (almost solely a SaF bug) + Delta = Omicron."
Nahhh I’ve heard you say before that you love the Trumpsters. Don’t deny it now.
You Freeptards obsessed with the vaxxes, vaxxi, vaxxines, might just as well be on the goddamn PLA payroll.
The true threat, is that Freeptards are pimping the vaccines as a distraction to draw attention away from China committing a global Act of War by intentionally releasing their designer bioweapon. Period.
The Chinese MUST give up all of their data on their own goddamn bioweapon or swim in radioactive glass. Them's the choices.
Pfizer internal docs show their own debate, the Pfizer-BioNTech 'genius' who sketched out the design of the spike protein vax was quickly made to understand that is was underpowered. Underpowered. Do you all f-cking get it? Underpowered. And that the only reason Moderna barely impacted DELTA was that it wasn't as underpowered as Pfizer.
Under-powered. UNDERPOWERED. Do you all GET IT? FFS, the PLA unleashed the world's first biodesigned bioweapon in late 2019, manufactured with a chimeric HIV shell, and an appended furin cleavage site -- and not one of you, not ONE. SINGLE. POST. in this pathetic thread acknowledges that unassailable FACT.
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Turns out I was right, in spades: and it is for that reason, people are so reluctant to "put up or shut up" : people on the web who call for "put up or shut up" INVARIABLY end up saying, "so that's your best shot, eh? Well I unilaterally declare it wasn't good enough, so DISPROVEN / MISINFORMATION / REEEEE!"
(Same thing happens arguing with autofellatory atheists, for example).
There are several different areas extant in medicine which tie into the whole COVID-1984 phenomenon.
Epidemiology -- empirically tracking how diseases spread.
Clinical practice -- gosh, this guy's sick, how do we help him?
Molecular biology -- what's going on at the physical/chemical level in the body at the molecular level which manifests as this disease state?
"Vaccines" touch on all of these.
What happened is some epidemiologists PREDICTED possible fallout from "vaccines" (the clot shots) at an epidemiological level, based on past experience with viruses.
Some other people predicted the potential for problems at the individual level with clot shots, and then at the population level, based on prior work with coronaviruses in animal models.
Other people looked at the meager/sparse results of tests on these jabs, and predicted other problems.
Lo and behold, AFTER the fact, doctors, scientists, and clinicians tracked real people given the mRNA shots and tracked what went wrong: which were not all the things which had been predicted: and some of which were not obvious, but should have been, in 20-20 hindsight.
The detailed articles which you obviously couldn't follow, were tracking the detailed molecular causes, for the the effects which were observed after the fact, but hadn't been predicted: all the "Scientists" of the sort you quoted, spent the last 2 years wanking off to the phrase "SAFE AND EFFECTIVE". So your accusation fails on "looking for what you want to find" : because if the shots didn't have the observed side effects, there would have been nothing TO explain.
Further, the predictions about the relative counts of the various immunoglobulins, are quite specific, not vague. And they are not models (as the predictions of "OMG we all have to quarantine and get jabbed NOW!" were), so your snark falls flat on that accusation too.
In short, you are utterly and irretrievably wrong.
And you don't even know why, only able to repeat your feeble mantra of "I F'ing Love SCIENCE Because CREDENTIALS are bigger and gooderer" even harder.
Even though science works not through credentials, but disciplined repeatable measurements.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0262162
says verbatim in the abstract
"Furthermore, despite accounting for only approximately 12%" of the total immunoglobulin mass, collectively igG3 and igM account for approximately 80% of the total neutralization"
and
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.ade2798
(which I mentioned in post 85) has a chart which is at the top of this thread.
Which shows that igG3 falls off a cliff after 3 shots.
There's the experimental evidence right there, predicting that immunity from the jabs drops off with multiple jabs.
Which is what has been observed, in the population, not in test tubes.
Your accusation is completely backwards.
"Ignoring the bat-shit crazy of the original 'article' that mutated into this thread (lol!), the problem with Novavax is that it creates, out of your personal safety net, an RNA-malformed attack squad against spike proteins, without knowing damn good and well whether or not benign, non-Chinese-bioweapon spike proteins prompt any kind of benefits against other virii, against potential infectious cancer-causing agents, etc.; as juxtaposed against what spike proteins do as deliberately enabled/endowed by the scumbag confucian kow-towing godless mandarin Chinese-designer-bioengineered COVID-19 spike protein bioweapon enhancement. The foregoing paragraph is part and parcel of the ongoing problem which the First World, formerly the Free World, deliberately fails to address. The Chinese MUST give up all of their data on their own goddamn bioweapon or swim in radioactive glass. Them's the choices.
I give you much credit, for your patience, and, grace with that one.
You’ve been generous with your time, providing links, explanations, etc.
My first impression was ignorance….then denial…now, I’m convinced it is another plant.
Especially after all that is now coming out daily/hourly, about these $hots.
Well, the information I got firsthand from hospice nurses about their elderly patients who got the shot is that not only are the vaccinated hospice patients dying at a quicker rate but they are seeing younger people with aggressive diseases entering hospice.
My FIL who passed away last month (from dementia) was one of the few who did not get the shot. He was in a memory care last yeqr which had two rounds of covid go through, which he never got. He he did get it this year here with us while on hospice. His worst symptoms were over in 2 days and he was back to baseline in a week. He did not have to go to the hospital.
I agree. Anyone who is still trying to argue “safe and effective” is either willfully ignorant or a troll.
Hey, troll-boi.
WE discussed the furin cleavage site years ago; back when the late Luc Montaigner and David Baltimore -- both Nobel winning virologists -- pointed out that this showed the virus was bioengineered, rather than coming from bat soup at a market.
It's such old news, we take it for granted.
That's why we're no longer discussing it on *this* thread.
“My first impression was ignorance….then denial…now, I’m convinced it is another plant.”
Grin! I might have to borrow your language in the future. cheers
Go right ahead! ;-)
>>snicker<<
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