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Forging a Roman Gladius Sword
Miller Knives ^ | 2017

Posted on 02/04/2024 8:56:59 AM PST by Eleutheria5

Step-by-step time-lapse video of how to make a Roman sword from what appears to be leaf stock.

(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...


TOPICS: History; Hobbies; Reference; Science
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; knifesmithing; metallurgy; romanempire; rome; swordmaking
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No attention paid to the forging of the metal. Is this pig iron forged into steel by heating over coal, and then folded and reheated and folded again many times, as the Japanese swordsmiths famously did? Or did the smith just take some standard modern leaf stock and go with it? Or was there some process unique to Rome for changing iron into steel?
1 posted on 02/04/2024 8:56:59 AM PST by Eleutheria5
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To: SunkenCiv

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2 posted on 02/04/2024 9:01:53 AM PST by SteveH
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To: Eleutheria5

In before the Monty Python and the Holy Frail references.


3 posted on 02/04/2024 9:03:52 AM PST by EvilCapitalist (Pets are no substitute for children)
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To: Eleutheria5

Europeans used higher stock iron than Japanese smiths did. That’s why Japanese metal smiths had to fold their metal repeatedly to get the iron they wanted.

It’s not evidence that Japanese metal smiths were better.

I just thought I would throw that in there.


4 posted on 02/04/2024 9:04:16 AM PST by Jonty30 (In a nuclear holocaust, there is always a point in time where the meat is cooked to perfection. )
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To: EvilCapitalist

Grail. Damn autocorrect.


5 posted on 02/04/2024 9:04:35 AM PST by EvilCapitalist (Pets are no substitute for children)
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To: Jonty30

But even so, iron, even high-grade, is not steel. How did the Roman smiths make the transformation?


6 posted on 02/04/2024 9:06:49 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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To: Eleutheria5

Romans used iron. They knew how to make steel, but having a steel sword was only something that they very upper classes would have had because of cost. If you had a steel sword, you had the Bughatti of swords.


7 posted on 02/04/2024 9:11:07 AM PST by Jonty30 (In a nuclear holocaust, there is always a point in time where the meat is cooked to perfection. )
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To: Eleutheria5

Do the backyard smiths, who use weighted mallets to bang their product out rather than by hand, create better products?


8 posted on 02/04/2024 9:12:40 AM PST by Jonty30 (In a nuclear holocaust, there is always a point in time where the meat is cooked to perfection. )
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To: Jonty30

So how did they make it for the upper class?


9 posted on 02/04/2024 9:17:58 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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To: Jonty30
Europeans used higher stock iron than Japanese smiths did.

Your raciss iron supremacist post duly noted.

10 posted on 02/04/2024 9:19:24 AM PST by Sirius Lee (Next week on The Bickersons... )
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To: Eleutheria5

It was called the iron age, not the steel age.


11 posted on 02/04/2024 9:23:59 AM PST by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI)
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To: Jonty30

That’s what I would like to know. The time may yet come when people have to do their own metallurgy in their back yards. And steal the coal from closed mines.

STEEL: From Start to Finish

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l7JqonyoKA


12 posted on 02/04/2024 9:25:28 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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To: DesertRhino

OK. Now steel is the thing. How to make it in your backyard, other than the Japanese way.


13 posted on 02/04/2024 9:27:31 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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To: Eleutheria5

Making steel is not hard, as a concept. You add carbon in the process, in the right amounts, until you get steel. I’ve seen Youtube videos where they pull the sword out of the forge and rub charcoal all over it before pounding it and they repeat this process until they get the right combination.

It probably took a long time to reheat, rub charcoal, and pound which is why it would have been expensive.


14 posted on 02/04/2024 9:32:30 AM PST by Jonty30 (In a nuclear holocaust, there is always a point in time where the meat is cooked to perfection. )
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To: Eleutheria5

To avoid the Japanese, you start off with a higher class of iron than pig iron.


15 posted on 02/04/2024 9:37:41 AM PST by Jonty30 (In a nuclear holocaust, there is always a point in time where the meat is cooked to perfection. )
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To: Eleutheria5

More like a modern interpretation of a gladius that doesn’t match any known historical pattern. The flared tip indicates a Mainz style but lacks the “waist”. The handle is certainly not true to period.


16 posted on 02/04/2024 9:41:42 AM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Eleutheria5

Cast Damascus Steel

“No one has replicated the original method of making Damascus steel because it was cast from wootz, a type of steel originally made in India over two thousand years ago. India began producing wootz well before the birth of Christ, but the weapons and other items made from wootz became truly popular in the 3rd and 4th century as trade items sold in the city of Damascus, in what is modern Syria”

https://www.thoughtco.com/damascus-steel-facts-608458


17 posted on 02/04/2024 9:44:53 AM PST by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you don't understand, no explanation is possible)
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To: Jonty30

The repeated folding reduces the carbon content which is why Japanese smiths started with “pig iron”. What you end up with is still fairly good steel.


18 posted on 02/04/2024 9:45:54 AM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Jonty30

As a practical matter, an underground steelmaker will have to take a piece of rebar and make a steel sword out of it, using very crude tools. A forge and bellows, an anvil, hammer and tongs, safety goggles, heavy gloves and apron. Hardest thing to acquire would be coal.


19 posted on 02/04/2024 9:48:33 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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To: mo

I think they finally learned how in 2000. Paul Harvey did a segment on it.


20 posted on 02/04/2024 9:50:47 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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