Posted on 02/16/2004 12:14:53 PM PST by L.N. Smithee
Edited on 04/13/2004 2:45:46 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
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If it's civil war, can we all assume that you're on the President's side of it??
Well, I tell you what. When you figure out what "the President's side of it" is, let me know, and then I'll let you know whether or not I'm on the same side.
You have any problem with that?
As far as I'm aware (and I'm just waking up, so maybe he's already weighed in on this item, and I just haven't read about it yet), he has not stated whether or not he has taken any "side" in the San Fransico Mayor's stunt. Until such time as he does (if he does), I'm not really in any position to way whether or not I agree with his "side" of it.
After all, I'm certainly not going to give him my blind obedience, and declare what whatever side he should happen to take -- when/if he decides to take a side -- will automatically be my side. No one in his right mind would offer that kind of blind obedience.
You don't seriously believe that he will, though, right?
I hope no one is setting themselves up for a megadisappointment by trusting in Ahnahld to step up to the plate and take a stand in this situation -- because even if he does (fat chance, IMO), it won't be the one we'd like to see. It wasn't all that long ago, recall, that he voiced an opinion in favor of this sort of thing, after all.
The fact that the country is even having this "debate" is a clear and ominous indication that we're in that space generally occupied by Wily Coyotee before he looks down, and discovers that he's gone waaaaay past the edge of the cliff.
Someone needs to set the nation's Wayback Machine to "normal", but I'm not expecting that to happen. I honestly believe that the madness has passed the point of no return, and is going to end up running its course.
After the dust settles, whoever is left with their wits about them can try to pick up the pieces. I have no idea if that will happen in any of our lifetimes, though.
I'm referring to the fact that it was the President's statement in the State of the Union that precipitated this horrendous chain of events.
Apparently THEY know who their enemy is...........
Hey, if it's no big deal, let's not get so huffy about it, OK? Don't protest too much, eh?
I'm referring to the fact that it was the President's statement in the State of the Union that precipitated this horrendous chain of events.
Oh, please. Don't tell me you really buy into that line of tripe they dished out, do you? You don't really believe that they weren't chomping at the bit to play out this little drama, looking for any excuse to hang on it? You don't think that the idea never occured to them prior to Bush tossing the right a bone in his speech?
Please, tell me you don't buy that idea!
Apparently THEY know who their enemy is...........
Um, that would be every normal person in the country, right? Wrong?
You may believe what you want about it, but the immoral left HATES this President and his morality, and whether or not it was an 'excuse,' the President's stance against gay marriage offends them.
And NO, every 'normal' person in this country is NOT their enemy. Many have been convinced (brainwashed) that they must be tolerant of this lewd behavior, and should let them do what they want.
You sure seem huffy to me.
It's just really tiring to see the same old stupid accusations.
That's why I bristled at your implied accusation of any potential disloyalty to Our Glorious Leader on my part.
Your immediate response to my question was to accuse, and it's irritating.
So close, yet such absence of cigar sign.
Let's begin with PKB. Moving along, let's rephrase what you said to bring it into line with what I actually posted, shall we? In other words, "my immediate reaction to your accusation was to question it" -- and, I find your accusation, and your gamesmanship -- to be irritating.
We should be on the same side in this 'war' Don, but you want to subdivide the good side.
Oh, good grief, here we go. It's Loyalty Test Time, kiddies! Let's all roll up our sleeves and swear obedience to... well, to whatever we're told to swear obedience to. It's the Best Way, after all. Just do not question anything about Your Leader. Do not doubt anything about Your Leader. Don't even look like you might have anything other than the utmost support, admiration, and obedience to Your Leader. Um, I mean Our Leader.
You may believe what you want about it, but the immoral left HATES this President and his morality, and whether or not it was an 'excuse,' the President's stance against gay marriage offends them.
Um, whatever.
I envy you. You seem to believe that you know what his stance is on that matter. All I know is what I see, and what I hear. And so far, I haven't seen much, and I haven't heard much. All I've seen is a bone flying in my general direction, and all I've heard is the whooosh of it flying, and the thud of it landing. Beside that, I haven't seen or heard anything that would amount to anything.
No, I am not easily satisfied. It takes results and actions to satisfy me. Talk is cheap, and I've paid plenty. Let's stop there, before I upset your apparently tender sensibilities.
And NO, every 'normal' person in this country is NOT their enemy. Many have been convinced (brainwashed) that they must be tolerant of this lewd behavior, and should let them do what they want.
Well, I guess we're talking different languages, because I don't consider brainwashed masses, incapable of making rational observations or decisions to be "normal", except in the most clinical of statistical senses. And since I am talking in absolute terms (i.e., if 85% of the population decides it's OK to eat their young, I would still not consider eating one's young to be "normal"), I think you now know what I meant by what I said, and, why I disagree with your assessment as to every normal person in the country not being viewed by "them" as the opposition.
But let's get to the bottom line, shall we?
America is in a fight for its very life, for its soul.
I'm praying for America daily, and I'm praying for the President, too. Not as 'our glorious leader,' but as a sinner saved by grace, who needs God's guidance to lead this country. I pray for his ability to discern what God is saying, especially in areas of morality, like this.
If you want what's best for America with regard to its righteousness, then we SHOULD be on the same side of this fight (regardless of our differing views on the President).
This IS a war. And we should be fighting it together.
I'm willing.....are you?
This IS a war. And we should be fighting it together.
I'm willing.....are you?
I'm not sure what you're getting at. As to Bush, I am of mixed emotion. He is clearly a flawed human. Not as flawed as some, that much is obvious; but, more flawed than others, which is equally obvious.
It's no secret that I am disappointed in his performance, and, my disappointment is compounded by the fact that I voted for him, and supported him with such enthusiasm and hope during the last election cycle.
I've voted for people I've disliked before, and, I've not voted for people I've disliked. Likes and dislikes are not "voting issues" for me. (Unfortunately I do not believe this is the case for the majority of voters over the years.) So, I do not give any indication of how I may or may not vote, nor do I suggest that anything I've said in the past is any indication of where I stand today -- or will stand tomorrow. I stand on my rights as an American citizen to proudly support the treasured concept of a secret ballot.
Ultimately, my support for any politician is something that he decides to earn, or not earn.
Now, that out of the way, I do agree that "America is in a fight for its very life, for its soul," and frankly, I am not optimistic as to the outcome. The more I examine the situation en toto, the more I'm convinced that it's truly passed the point of no return, and is consigned to running its course.
The implications, of course, are nothing I want to think about, so, I try not to think about them too much. I try to think about things like putting in my garden this spring, I try to think about selling some gourmet vegetables (sweetest onions in the world, grown in Michigan of all places, due to the unique soil we've got on our five miserable acres), and using the money to grow more onions next year, and, to build a hydroponic greenhouse, so that I can sell snap peas year round.
Have you ever bought snap peas in the grocery store? They are absurdly expensive, and they are always picked much too early, much too soon, far short of maturity. In the store, they are hollow tubes, with thin, tasteless shells, and tiny shriveled "pre-peas". From my garden, though, they are near-solid, with thick, crunchy pods, very sweet, and full-sized peas, also very sweet. Something you can sink your teeth into. I walked a friend down to the garden, told him to pick some and tell me what he thought. He ended up grazing for about a half hour, telling me (inbetween bites) how amazing the snap peas tasted.
I figure I can do pretty good with a nice hydroponic greenhouse, and do a pretty decent business. The local electric coop did an article in their magazine about a guy in the next town with a hydroponic greenhouse, 1/4 acre, he grew tomatoes. He said he grew more tomatoes in that quarter acre of hydroponics than he'd be able to produce on 100 acres of dirt.
I also think about going out and shooting my remaining stores of Kodachrome 25 before they stop offering K14 processing for it. There's no substitute, and there's no way to home-process it. It's the end of an era. Sort of like much of what this country is going through, now that I think about it. But, I try not to think about it.
I try to think about how I'll make it through the next months and years with my spine and major joints decomposing. I try to think about how it doesn't really matter that I'm taking a multiple of the amount of drugs that Limbaugh got himself into a twist over -- and, still hurting, all the time. I think about a lot of things. I have a lot of things to think about. I try not to think about the country going down the tubes, though, because it sure looks like it is going down the tubes, and the few in a position to do anything about it aren't too interested in doing anything about it.
So, what do I think about where the country is headed? I think that anyone who really wants to think about that -- and I don't recommend thinking about it too much -- go out and rent a copy of "The Postman".
After they watch it, they should remind themselves that it's only fiction. Reality is apt to be much worse.
On this, I will disagree. He is not less flawed than other humans. We are all equally sinful.....our righteousness as filthy rags.
The difference is that some of us heed God's call to repentance, and are forgiven.
I believe this to be true of the President, and so I pray that he continues to heed God's call, understanding that he will make mistakes......
As for those vegetables......Michigan is not far from Ohio......when will they be for sale? :o)
The difference is that some of us heed God's call to repentance, and are forgiven.
Well, yes and no. In a strictly theological sense, yes, but in a practical sense, there are degrees. I am not talking in terms of salvation, but of... well, not sure what word to use, so I'll just say "trust" and let the context fill in the blanks.
On the one hand, you have Billy Graham. Flawed, forgiven. I'd trust him with my wife, my kids, my property, with no qualms at all. Then, there are people like David Berkowitz, whom from what I've observed in the press, is also a sincere repentant believer. Flawed, forgiven. But, I prefer that he remain in prison, and I would not be comfortable trusting him with my wife, children, etc.
So, there are degrees. Those are two extremes at either end of the scale. Everyone else is in between.
As to the vegetables, weather and wife permitting <g>, I'll get them in when the ice is gone, then a month or two before they're at their best, depending on the weather.
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