Posted on 07/13/2004 10:13:55 AM PDT by truthandlife
Senate Democrats on Tuesday appeared headed toward a tactical victory over the hot-button issue of gay marriage.
What seemed likely Monday — an up-or-down Senate vote on a proposed constitutional amendment to define marriage as only "the union of a man and a woman" — appeared very doubtful a day later as Republican and Democratic leaders were unable to agree on a procedure for a vote.
Republican Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist has scheduled a Wednesday vote on cloture, a procedural move that would limit debate on the topic and allow the Senate to proceed to voting on the proposed amendment itself.
Senators who who want to avoid casting election-year votes on the amendment, one way or the other, will vote against cloture and it seems unlikely that Frist will be able to muster the 60 votes needed to invoke cloture and allow a vote on the amendment.
That will let Democrats who didn't want to cast a vote on the question of whether marriage should be limited to heterosexual couples breathing easier.
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Gay marriage vote appears doomed ....... for now. The issue has lots of fire
No it won't. It shows that they are afraid to show how they would vote. This issue can still be used against them.
Not completely true. The Constitution provides another method for proposing amendments.
”A Convention for Proposing Amendments…as Part of This Constitution”
Force the vote and get all democrat senators who vote against it on record as having done so then wipe them out in November.
Frist should force the Democrats to debate this issue on the floor. They should be forced to do a real filibuster where someone has to be talking at all times. I'd love to see the news filled with clips of DemocRATS saying why they oppose this amendment.
Ah the good ol' Senate Republicans. They are so useful to us aren't they?
I'm pretty sure most of the clips would be of Democrats reading the phone book, or something like that. LOL
The problem is that it's not just democrats. It's everyone and anyone in the senate who's afraid of casting a divisive vote in an election year.
Dems dropped the gun issue after 2000. Now they may drop gay marriage in 2004. Where is Gun Control and Gays going to turn to? Nader??? In a three way America, GOP rules forever.
I hope it fails and am prepared to rally against it. It's an abuse of the constitutional amendment process. The US Constitution is meant to restrict federal gov't's intrusiveness. In this country, "marriage" has always been the domain of the states and should remain so.
I love the politics of convenience around here.
Do you really think the Democrats will be content to leave it to the states? No, they will make it mandatory for all 50, just like they do with every other pet liberal cause.
Terrible Idea. It will be hijacked and the 2nd will be removed.
Unfortunately, the "full faith and credit" clause means that the rest of us may be forced to bow before the Massachusetts Supreme Court's unconsitutional declaration. We need this amendment to protect the rest of us from such abuses. In the long run, we need something to limit judicial activism in the long run but this is the issue that is being trust upon us so we must respond and protect our society.
It is neither pessimistic nor paranoid to properly describe the agenda of our enemies as you have done here.
I think you are right on. I think God has given this nation over to its own depravity.
God's Wrath Against Mankind
18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
I think you are right on. I think God has given this nation over to its own depravity.
God's Wrath Against Mankind (Romans 1)
18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Homosexual Agenda Ping. I don't know, the Senate pretty much seems like some giant dead animal that is starting to stink bad. Flies buzzing around.
I wish to God that the RINO Senators will be voted out very soon. How hard is it to recall Senators? Of course, it would be great to replace many of the D Senators with real conservative Republicans.
But even with the GOP majority, it seems very hard to get anything good done or bad prevented. [I do understand they need a larger majority to really have power. But they squander what they could have because of RINOS and their appeasing attitude in general. Go along to get along.] Look at the recent rider on the Defense Spending bill - adding "Sexual Orientation" to the already repulsive "Hate Crimes" list of preferred victims.
Big Tent Republicanism is just Nevill Chamberlain saying "peace in our time".
Let me know if you want on/off this pinglist.
P.S. If more states enact "gay" marriage permitting laws (if you can call it that, considering f'rinstance in MASS it was just a judge or two that reigned supreme) then the time has come for mass civil disobedience. Anyone - whether they call themselves Christian or any of the many varieties, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, atheist, whatever - who opposes the "gay" agenda should stand up and refuse to cooperate with "gay" marriage. Even at the cost of jobs, money, social approval, or whatever.
What is the use of gaining the world and losing the culture war? Letting the homosexual rights crowd rule the entire world? Keep in mind that if those of us opposed to promoting and normalizing deviance had fought this years ago, we would not be in the sorry pass we are currently sunk in. We should have known better, seen it coming. Primarily people are too entranced by the desire to be comfortable, "liked", and more or less asleep at the wheel.
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