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Here Comes the Mother-to-Be
NY Times ^ | 3.13.2005 | Mireya Navarro

Posted on 03/12/2005 2:53:11 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick

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To: JenB
I'm talking about Sacramentally valid, so that only has to do with those who wanted to be married in the Catholic Church. If they're married in a civil ceremoney, their marriage is legal, but if they truly wanted a marriage in the sense of the Sacrament of Matrimony, they'd need to be able to say that nothing was forcing them into marriage, and having been engaged when the woman got pregnant doesn't always mean that they truly can or will commit to a marriage.

My niece got pregnant when she was engaged, and at first, the father of the baby was willing to speed up the wedding plans, but about a month later, he called to tell her that he didn't really want to be tied down, so he wouldn't marry her. She was devastated, but it was truly the best thing that could have happened. She went ahead and had that little baby girl, who is now a lovely 17 yr. old.

81 posted on 03/12/2005 4:58:41 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: It's me
Not neccessarily, you just described the first year of most marriages. Why not get married at the start? Didn't really think you loved him/her?

First off, living together was semi-accidental. I got sick. Several years before, I had gone through three harrowing weeks, where I'd had pneumonia and been alone. So, I asked (or maybe she offered) to stay and take care of me for a night.... And she never left. Mind you, we were already engaged at this point.

The problem was never a question of if I loved her. Falling in love is the easy part of marriage. It was a question of compatibility. Working together to have a partnership takes work. We wanted to know we could do that.

You're right that it's much like the first year of marriage. OTOH, if we had got married and found out that we were incompatible, it would have been a lot messier and more expensive to get a divorce.

Personally, I consider divorce -- the breaking of a commitment -- to be a more serious concern than whether a bride should be wearing white and the size of her belly.

82 posted on 03/12/2005 5:02:31 PM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: NYC GOP Chick

Meanwhile, at the reception, that gaggle of "friends" are laughing at you behind your back and calling you Lucky to have conned the guy to marry you.

Oh, yes, dear, tis true....


83 posted on 03/12/2005 5:05:37 PM PST by mabelkitty (Blackwell for Governor in 2006!!!)
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To: Lizavetta

Woah, tattoos and piercings?? I have tattoos, and allthough I can agree with you about some people getting them for attention, mine are hidden. Some of us don't get tattoos for social acceptance, I got mine because they mean something to me, not to other people.


84 posted on 03/12/2005 5:05:59 PM PST by Laz711 (Fear is the Mind Killer)
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To: mabelkitty

Hmm... I wonder how many of those "friends" are single and jealous.


85 posted on 03/12/2005 5:07:37 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (www.Hillary-Watch.org)
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To: NYC GOP Chick

You've got that right.
But wear 4" heels and an immodest dress and you're just asking for ridicule....


86 posted on 03/12/2005 5:08:08 PM PST by mabelkitty (Blackwell for Governor in 2006!!!)
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To: mabelkitty

'Tis true, but I do have to wonder how much of the "ridicule" comes from jealousy. You know how women can be! ;D


87 posted on 03/12/2005 5:09:16 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (www.Hillary-Watch.org)
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To: BellStar
You all know this. Church's are Hospitals for sinners not country clubs for Saints

Forgiveness is available to all who repent, but mercy does not rob justice. If you commit sexual sin, there is a price to be paid before forgiveness is gained, and losing the privilege of receiving the Cahtolic sacrament of marriage would be part of that price.

"Cheap" grace is not part of the Christian equation, though many seem to think it is. In God's vocabulary, "I'm sorry" is a verb.

88 posted on 03/12/2005 5:11:02 PM PST by frgoff
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To: It's me
I don't know, but I thought white was supposed to symbolize virginity. I guess not anymore.

Only since Victorian times. Before a bride wore what ever color she wanted. The bride wearing white is a pretty new innovation.

89 posted on 03/12/2005 5:12:14 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Res severa est verum gaudium)
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To: frgoff

Well gee... So much for repentance and acceptance from God.


90 posted on 03/12/2005 5:14:20 PM PST by marajade
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
I think our marriage has been been smoother and worked better for it.

Two things separate us from the animals. One, we use cutlery, and, two, we can rationalize anything.

91 posted on 03/12/2005 5:14:29 PM PST by frgoff
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To: NYC GOP Chick; All
Of course I remember meeting you -- and I would be honored by that. :)

Just so all you guys know...she's a real hottie...I'm too old for her....but perhaps...there might be some younger gentleman, who would like to hear what she has to say.

I'm older....I trust her.

92 posted on 03/12/2005 5:14:49 PM PST by Focault's Pendulum
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To: marajade
Well gee... So much for repentance and acceptance from God.

Repentance = sorrow, confession, restitution and forsaking the practice. Acceptance from God comes upon repentance. In other words, it's conditional.

The ultimate goal is to stop the sin, not excuse it by blaming it on a fallen nature or weak flesh.

Some sins we can be totally free from. Fornication and adultery, for example.

93 posted on 03/12/2005 5:25:28 PM PST by frgoff
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To: Laz711

Courage!


94 posted on 03/12/2005 5:27:02 PM PST by Temple Owl (19064)
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To: SuziQ

Really... She can't be married in the church while pregnant but she can after the baby is born?


95 posted on 03/12/2005 5:27:20 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (It is no bad thing to celebrate a simple life!)
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To: frgoff

I know what repentance means and I also know what forgiveness means. To disallow a believer to not commune with God because of a past sin which has been repented of is not an organization to which I would like to worship with. Makes God out to be rather small and petty instead of large and loving. I know which kind of God I'd rather believe in, thanks.


96 posted on 03/12/2005 5:28:16 PM PST by marajade
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To: NYC GOP Chick; cyborg

(OK, so it's a prom dress. You get the idea)

97 posted on 03/12/2005 5:28:26 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: cyborg

"Always a pregnant bridesmaid, never a pregnant bride."


98 posted on 03/12/2005 5:29:03 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: martin_fierro

Lord have mercy.


99 posted on 03/12/2005 5:29:54 PM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: Larry Lucido

heh!


100 posted on 03/12/2005 5:30:11 PM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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