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Here Comes the Mother-to-Be
NY Times ^ | 3.13.2005 | Mireya Navarro

Posted on 03/12/2005 2:53:11 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick

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To: martin_fierro

She's lots of guts!


101 posted on 03/12/2005 5:31:49 PM PST by marajade
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To: keithtoo
"I thought the NYT crowd was only supposed to refer to these entities as fetuses?????"

Only the ones that are unwanted.

102 posted on 03/12/2005 5:32:55 PM PST by sweetliberty ("To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it.")
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To: NYC GOP Chick

This is just total ego mania. It seems more an extortion for presents than a desire for weddings.

She should just get civily married to ensure the child is legit and then either have a VERY fast wedding they can afford or just wait until AFTER the baby is born for the religious ceremony.

I really get the "gimme presents" vibe from this.


103 posted on 03/12/2005 5:34:35 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: mlmr

GIMME PRESENTS GIMME PRESENTS GIMME PRESENTS!!!!!


104 posted on 03/12/2005 5:39:32 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: SuziQ

Thanks... 10 years so far....


105 posted on 03/12/2005 5:41:57 PM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: martin_fierro
The dress is intersting. The lass looks like she and her hairdresser have been sharing the same drugs.
106 posted on 03/12/2005 5:42:43 PM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: marajade

Regocnize what happened was a mistake and correct as best as possible. NOT celebrate the mistake.

The entire subtext of this article is just a grovel for presents.


107 posted on 03/12/2005 5:44:57 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: longtermmemmory

If she wants to make it right... I'm all the more for it.


108 posted on 03/12/2005 5:46:38 PM PST by marajade
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To: marajade
As a woman though I find it absolutely ridiculous that its always my fault sex ends in a pregnancy when I don't use birth control.

If we have a healthy attitude toward sex then we don't blame people when it results in a new life. That's what it's supposed to do.

If we have a healthy attitude toward sex, though, we keep in marriage where God intended it to be.

109 posted on 03/12/2005 5:47:06 PM PST by Campion
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To: Campion

I agree. But to punish someone for a mistake is counterproductive.


110 posted on 03/12/2005 5:48:14 PM PST by marajade
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To: longtermmemmory

Most weddings seem to be overblown affairs these days, these women are no different than most in that respect.

I don't even think most are big ploys to get presents, really, thousands more is spent on the wedding itself these days than they will get in presents. It's just a fantasy that sucks women in... The desire to have the gorgeous designer princess fantasy they see in wedding magazines. It gives them an excuse to spend six months to a year deciding on flowers and napkins and typefaces and play dressup.

Myself, I was never keen on the Princess Plan. Many friends tried to involve me in theirs and many tried to get me to care about napkins on my own. We did throw a fantastic party, truth be told, but I tried to keep it just that, a party everyone would actually have fun at.


111 posted on 03/12/2005 5:50:26 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (It is no bad thing to celebrate a simple life!)
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To: frgoff
If you commit sexual sin, there is a price to be paid before forgiveness is gained, and losing the privilege of receiving the Cahtolic sacrament of marriage would be part of that price.

I'm not sure what sort of Catholicism you're representing, but there's no claim or requirement in Church law that I'm aware of that a couple who gets pregnant before the wedding "loses the privilege of receiving the Catholic sacrament of marriage". In fact, that would be silly: equivalent to excommunication.

Many priests won't perform such a wedding until some time after the baby is born, though, because they think marital consent is not very freely given when a pregnancy is involved, thus rendering the marriage's validity suspect. It has nothing to do with anyone's sin, and everything to do with the degree to which people are, or are not, acting freely in that situation.

112 posted on 03/12/2005 5:53:17 PM PST by Campion
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To: Campion

That's great to hear. Although only God can truly know what is in a person's heart.


113 posted on 03/12/2005 6:00:44 PM PST by marajade
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To: NYC GOP Chick

Church - on - time ....


114 posted on 03/12/2005 6:04:24 PM PST by traumer
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To: NYC GOP Chick

Mission Inn? As an almost native-born Riversider, I must commend the Padillas on their excellent choice. Beautiful place, and it was good enough for Dick and Pat Nixon.

That said...four-inch heels? I'm a guy and I'm wincing at that. What was she thinking?


115 posted on 03/12/2005 6:11:20 PM PST by RichInOC (...somebody had to say it...why not me?)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Most weddings seem to be overblown affairs these days, these women are no different than most in that respect.

How do they pay for these things is what I can't figure...

We had nothing, and got married in our backyard ( confession- we were playing house). The dress was a prom dress, off the rack. Mr. RB was in a rented tux. Future in-laws made a ham and other food, and my sister did the flowers.

I think the whole thing cost $250.00.

I guess it sufficed as we're still married 25 yrs later.

116 posted on 03/12/2005 6:11:24 PM PST by Red Boots
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To: HairOfTheDog

I wonder sometimes if the trauma of preparing a wedding production is a test by fire for the wedding. The couple gets so lost in planning a party that they forget to plan a life after the party.

Then again, most young ladies are not agreeable to the "elvis chappel"


117 posted on 03/12/2005 6:30:42 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Red Boots

These days, couples are not moving from their parent's home into marriage or starting out with nothing... These are blushing 35 year old brides who have been on their own and in a career for years... They don't need sheets and towels to set up a home, they have one already....

I think the size of the bill reflects that, as much as anything else, though the wedding planner magazines and television shows have a lot to do with giving people more ideas for how to spend more money than ever would have occurred to them on their own.


118 posted on 03/12/2005 6:33:10 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (It is no bad thing to celebrate a simple life!)
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To: longtermmemmory

Many aren't.... I would have been. :~D


119 posted on 03/12/2005 6:34:35 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (It is no bad thing to celebrate a simple life!)
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To: HairOfTheDog
It's the whole idea of marriage as an indissoluble Sacrament. When a couple enters into the Sacrament of Matrimony, there should not be anything that is making the couple HAVE to get married. They should enter into it freely, and without any reservations. They are willing to commit to have a life together and accept children from God as an outgrowth of their Sacramental life together. If a couple is pregnant, there is, by definition, something that is demanding that they be married. They have the overwhelming desire to make sure their baby is legitimate.

None of this has nothing to do with civil marriage. Anyone who gets a license and finds someone who is authorized by the State to perform marriages can legally be married, and make sure their child is 'legitimate'. Many couples who have gottem themselves in the family way before marriage have done this. If they are Catholic, and they want their marriage blessed and receive the Sacrament, they need to do what all engaged couples have to do to get married in the Church. They have to meet with counselors who will give them guidance on what exactly a Sacramental Marriage is, and the responsibilities entailed in it. Folks don't have the RIGHT to a Sacramental Marriage. It is not an inconsequential thing, and some of the women in this article seem to think. They need to show that they are willing to do what the Church requires of those receiving the Sacrament.

120 posted on 03/12/2005 6:47:53 PM PST by SuziQ
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