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Time to part company
myself | 4/1/05 | hchutch

Posted on 04/01/2005 2:39:59 PM PST by hchutch

Six months ago, Free Republic was riding high, and I was proud to be a part of it. It was coming off having blown the cover off of Dan Rather’s use of forged memos against the President. The President was well on his way to winning re-election. It was a great time to be a Freeper.

However, things have changed. It started with the justifiable removal of ALIPAC. I supported that move by Jim Robinson, but the ugliness directed towards Alberto Gonzales. He was accused of everything under the sun, and Senator Mel Martinez was viciously attacked for speaking Spanish on the Senate floor. The tone and outright viciousness (terms like FROBL and traitor were fired off at anyone who did not toe the line established by Michelle Malkin and Tom Tancredo) on immigration threads had concerned me, but I had concluded it was an isolated incident. After ALIPAC was removed from FR, I had hoped the tone there would improve. But it only got worse. I was point-blank called a traitor because my views on immigration differ from those of Michelle Malkin’s groupies. On immigration threads, questioning the questionable is not allowed. One must accept the unacceptable and allow folks to defend the indefensible. Never mind that VDARE, American Renaissance, and other sites are racist or have no problem hanging out with those that are racists (I’m just going to call a spade a spade here).

There were folks who had the long knives out for Senator Rick Santorum, one of the strongest pro-life members of the United States Senate. Why? Because he endorsed Arlen Specter over Pat Toomey. It was stunning to see these long knives out for a conservative. And all it would accomplish would be his replacement by a Democrat. How in the world replacing Rick Santorum with a Democrat would aid conservatism is beyond me, but it was demanded because Santorum endorsed Specter. The long knives were out, and I suppose it was a sign of what was to come.

The whole Terri Schiavo case has changed everything for me. A mob mentality took over the first few days after the order to pull the tube was given. Anyone who did not toe the line was attacked. I saw a dedicated active-duty member of our armed forces called a “Maine liberal” for simply asking why troops in harm’s way did not get the same sort of “all-nighter” attention that Terri Schiavo got. It was a reasonable question – we have 40-year-old P-3s still out there. We have a war on terrorism still going on, in case folks have not noticed. We have to get Social Security fixed. I say this as a person who believes that at best, Michael Schiavo’s relationship with a woman (and having two kids with her) meant he had a conflict of interest – and that he had decided that Terri was inconvenient. I cannot take his word alone that Terri would have wanted this. I also believe that George Felos is a supporter of euthanasia, and that he is using this case for his own ends. Those folks give me the creeps, and I think that Jim Robinson was on the right side of this issue. However, I also got a very bad feeling when the Schindlers embraced the likes of Randall Terry and Bo Gritz. I had to wonder what has happened to the conservative movement when the threads were allowed to spiral so out of control. The concept of euthanasia is repulsive and disgusting, but it does not excuse allowing the threads to spin out of control.

I have seen the President of the United States, George W. Bush, and the Governor of Florida, John Ellis Bush, take huge political risks in an effort to save Terri’s life. I believe they were doing their best to do the right thing, and that the original law passed in 2003 was a reasonable one that was wrongly stuck down by Judge Greer and the Florida Supreme Court. I think that the Republican Party has taken a huge risk to give Terri a chance at life, and I am disgusted with those who seek a pretext that will justify leaving the GOP in the lurch. I’m sick of the way the Terri threads spun out of control, and the vicious attacks launched at reasonable people who came to a different conclusions about the situation or who pointed out facts that certain people found inconvenient. This is not what I signed on here for.

I believe in a strong national defense, cutting taxes, and in general trying to keep government involvement as minimal as possible (there are times when the best one can do is to limit government involvement in a situation). I am pro-life (with exceptions for rape, incest, and to protect the life of the mother) and pro-Second Amendment. However, I do NOT want the federal government to be involved in any culture war. “Culture” was never mentioned in the constitution, thus I believe it is left to the States or TO THE PEOPLE (see the Tenth Amendment). I do NOT think immigration is a problem, but I believe some mistakes were made along the way (like eliminating the bracero program). I also think that the President of the United States has proposed a sensible plan that will go a long way towards solving the problems on our border with Mexico and do much to alleviate the problems surrounding illegal immigration. Therefore, I have come to the conclusion that it is time for me and Free Republic to part company, because Free Republic has left this limited-government neoconservative. In the process of Free Republic leaving me, I now find that I fear the social conservatives as much as I fear the loony left. As a result of coming to this conclusion, I ask that my account be deleted and all posts I have made, save for this opus and the ping to my friends be removed.

I do this with regret, since I will miss some of those who I have met here, but I feel no other choice. So long.


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To: jpl
if you don't believe that our current lax approach to immigration in this country is a serious problem, you really have your head buried in the sand. The fact that driver's licenses are being given out to people that should not be getting them is one of the key factors that permitted 9/11 to take place.

As far as the culture war goes, the left has been actively waging it through government for well over three decades. Take a good look around you at what's going on.

You hit the nail on the head. Thanks!!

381 posted on 04/01/2005 4:42:27 PM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: Redcloak
Excellent choice, but I will stick with my "Upmann's" and especially "Padron's".
382 posted on 04/01/2005 4:44:26 PM PST by danmar ("No person is so grand or wise or perfect as to be the master of another person." Karl Hess)
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To: hchutch

Easy enough to say when you are still eating and drinking.


383 posted on 04/01/2005 4:46:00 PM PST by MarMema
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To: sinkspur
But leaving here is like leaving the Republican party.

God help us all if this were actually true.

384 posted on 04/01/2005 4:46:32 PM PST by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: hchutch
...However, I also got a very bad feeling when the Schindlers embraced the likes of Randall Terry and Bo Gritz. ...

I'm gonna bet they don't know the full backgrounds of these men. I'm gonna bet that they were desperate and grasping at any straw they could.

385 posted on 04/01/2005 4:48:26 PM PST by FReepaholic (Terri, it's over now child. Rest in peace.)
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To: hchutch
"The tone and outright viciousness (terms like FROBL and traitor were fired off at anyone who did not toe the line established by Michelle Malkin and Tom Tancredo) on immigration threads had concerned me...[and] now find that I fear the social conservatives as much as I fear the loony left."

Boo-effin-Hoo.

You and your pinged pathetic band of moral relativist Statists and stealth Globalists are worse than Democrats.

386 posted on 04/01/2005 4:48:43 PM PST by Liberator
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To: beandog

Sigh....


387 posted on 04/01/2005 4:54:23 PM PST by mabelkitty (Blackwell for Governor in 2006!!!)
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To: pissant

Boy, are you going to wish you never said that after you read the rest of the posts.


388 posted on 04/01/2005 4:55:18 PM PST by mabelkitty (Blackwell for Governor in 2006!!!)
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To: Hardastarboard
"If you think this site is a bunch of extremists, go to Democratic Underground (bring a barf bag, you'll need it). Sure, there are ideas I disagree with here, but so what?"

It's better when the diseased part of the herd culls themselves, isn't it?

389 posted on 04/01/2005 4:55:57 PM PST by Liberator
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To: arasina
"Darned fine opus, hutch. I agree with you on just about every point made...."

With all due respect, you just congratulated a cry-baby who couldn't take the heat.

390 posted on 04/01/2005 4:57:59 PM PST by Liberator
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To: hchutch

I have read nothing on this thread, but I am 100% certain that the responses will be better than the lead-in.


391 posted on 04/01/2005 4:58:08 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: RepublicMan4U

Oh, heck. The comment wasn't about spelling. Mine is awful too. I just never thought about "accidental hypocricy" (or however it's spelled) ;-)


392 posted on 04/01/2005 4:58:11 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Dog Gone
I would define it as sanctimony, not a prediction. But then again, I guess it is human nature to assume that, in case of a dispute, it is always the other man who is narrow and fanatical.

Sorry, but I see no substantial difference in the behavior of the side of these arguments represented by the original poster than I do the "special interest groups in the conservative movement" you so fear. For every thread calling M.S. a murderer, there was one accusing the Schindlers of glorying in the media attention or being out for monetary gain. Considering the circumstances, both extremes were reprehensible. But that's par for the course in a rough-and-tumble forum where ideas are expressed openly. Whining about it doesn't do anything but make those who do look wussy.

Your original post presented the loss of the original poster (and others of his same opinion) as something regretful. I don't necessarily agree. All things change, people come and go, and any large group of passionate people will have a fluid membership. He will be replaced, just as you or I would be. The only difference is that some of us don't feel that our exit will necessitate a grand rhetorical flourish (or pious intonings by our fellow travelers about what this "means" for Free Republic). If he's no longer happy here, I'm sorry. But far "bigger" names than his have disappeared over the years, and FR has kept right on chugging along. So it will when I leave, so it will when you leave...

393 posted on 04/01/2005 4:59:52 PM PST by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Still teaching... or a reasonable facsimile thereof...)
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To: mabelkitty

Thanks for the warning, but I promise not to run away (much to several freepers' dismay)!


394 posted on 04/01/2005 5:01:16 PM PST by pissant
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To: johnb838
"This forum is not for the faint hearted."

Absolutely not...

Yet he's squawking because he's gotten his teeth kicked on merit whereever he's posts.

395 posted on 04/01/2005 5:01:39 PM PST by Liberator
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To: pissant

Yeah, you need to start a best Opus thread.


396 posted on 04/01/2005 5:02:07 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: hchutch
Glad to see you go, hope you don't come back. If you can't understand the passion the killing of Schiavo created, you are not someone I want to see posting on this forum. If your skin is too thin to take the rough and tumble, go buy a kleenix factory.

You big wimp.

397 posted on 04/01/2005 5:02:57 PM PST by FreedomSurge
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To: A CA Guy

Ha!!! You owe me a new keyboard. Top 10 Opuses!!!!! I'll do next week!


398 posted on 04/01/2005 5:03:10 PM PST by pissant
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To: hchutch

Well that sucks.


399 posted on 04/01/2005 5:03:56 PM PST by eyespysomething (It starts off as a drum circle, next thing you know you've got a college.)
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To: hchutch

So sorry you're leaving!


400 posted on 04/01/2005 5:04:01 PM PST by nopardons
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