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God's Democrat (The church of Jim Wallis)
The Weekly Standard ^ | April 11, 2005 | Katherine Mangu-Ward

Posted on 04/04/2005 9:20:31 PM PDT by RWR8189

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1 posted on 04/04/2005 9:20:32 PM PDT by RWR8189
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To: RWR8189

God's Democrat is Zell Miller, playing the role of Lot.


2 posted on 04/04/2005 9:24:08 PM PDT by thoughtomator ("The Passion of the Opus" - 2 hours of a FReeper being crucified on his own self-pitying thread)
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To: RWR8189
God's Democrat

The kind that over looks the 10 Commandments because they're politically incorrect.
How dare God tell them they shouldn't covet they neighbors pay checks!

3 posted on 04/04/2005 9:34:28 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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At least the guy has the decency to be pro-life. That leads me to believe he's genuine in his beliefs. There is something consistent, if wrongheaded, about the pacifist-socialist worldview as long as it's accompanied by a belief in protecting the unborn. The height of hypocrisy is to preach compassion for "the least of these" while allowing babies to be murdered in the womb. I'm glad Wallis doesn't succumb to that.


4 posted on 04/04/2005 9:41:21 PM PDT by BackInBlack ("The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice.")
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To: BackInBlack

Hes not pro-life.


5 posted on 04/04/2005 9:48:15 PM PDT by mthom
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To: RWR8189

People just get sillier and sillier.


6 posted on 04/04/2005 9:48:17 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: concerned about politics

I live in the Memphis area, and this idiot has no clue about the mentality of Memphis Black religious people.


7 posted on 04/04/2005 9:50:30 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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"The Weekly Standard will do well if it doesn't paint the progressive evangelical movement as all the liberals who are religious"

Is that some kind of a threat?


8 posted on 04/04/2005 10:00:26 PM PDT by RockinRye
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To: mthom

Did the article get that wrong? Or what's the deal?


9 posted on 04/05/2005 3:20:03 PM PDT by BackInBlack ("The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice.")
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To: RWR8189; Quix; dsc; okie01; happygrl

Thanks for posing this article. The chance is that a genuine pacifist-socialist-green platform combined with a consistent opposition to abortion, gay marriage, porn etc constitutes what many East Asian and minority evangelical Christians in the US consider as the "conservative Christian" position. They believe "political conservatism on economics and WOT is theological liberalism/apostasy". I had been there before and I grew up with this particular teaching.

Ping to dsc, okie, Quix, and others for reference and comments!


10 posted on 04/06/2005 10:35:35 PM PDT by NZerFromHK ("US libs...hypocritical, naive, pompous...if US falls it will be because of these" - Tao Kit (HK))
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To: RWR8189

Another question: one one has asked his opinions on socially liberal and atheist leftists who are 3 out of 3 left-leaning on social/moral, foreign/defence, and economics/social welfare issues.

What does he think of the likes of ACLU, Hollywoord producers and directors, or indeed any one of the Beltway and Northeast liberal establishment who declare "religions is for the weak", such as Ted Turner?


11 posted on 04/06/2005 10:40:02 PM PDT by NZerFromHK ("US libs...hypocritical, naive, pompous...if US falls it will be because of these" - Tao Kit (HK))
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To: Mr. Silverback

ping


12 posted on 04/06/2005 10:51:30 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: NZerFromHK
Thanks for the ping. Fascinating article.

More than anything, Wallis strikes me as a left-wing eccentric -- a sixties hippie who took his spirituality too seriously. I don't know whether being pro-life qualifies as eccentric or apostate on the left, though.

Philosophically, wouldn't he belong in the garden variety European school of Christian Socialism? The socialism, pacifism and anti-Americanism are all of a piece with this.

13 posted on 04/06/2005 11:03:50 PM PDT by okie01 (A slavering moron and proud member of the lynch mob, cleaning the Augean stables of MSM since 1998.)
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I don't know for sure - because over in Europe (Britain included) there had never been a major tenant of Christianity-derived belief that combines pacifism and moral conservatism. They were supportive of "just wars" as waged from their national perspectives in the pre-WWII times, while it is true that their successors after the war became pacifist, they have also altogether become lax regarding morals like gay rights as well.

There is a major belief among "pro-life, pro-moral pacifist Christians" that Bush is the Antichrist - of course they must ignore passages in the Bible saying everyone will like and worship the eventual world dictator except Christians. When you know many self-declared atheists hate him, well, Bush fails this criteria.


14 posted on 04/06/2005 11:11:21 PM PDT by NZerFromHK ("US libs...hypocritical, naive, pompous...if US falls it will be because of these" - Tao Kit (HK))
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To: okie01

BTW, I would be interested to know what his response to the full blown socially liberal atheists like Ted Turner would be like. Will Wallis declare to Turnr that God is real, and not "just for the weak" as Turner had famously remarked? What will Turner or people like the NYT journalists regard someone who agrees with them on most issues, but believe in God, and speaks out against abortions, porn, euthansia, and gay rights?

And speaking about Euroepan liberalism, there are two threads on British leftism that has attracted quite an America-bashing response from a self-delcared British Conservative here (who is a newbie on FR). Have a look at them and let me know what you think (his screen name is cooper72):

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1378279/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1378395/posts


15 posted on 04/06/2005 11:16:27 PM PDT by NZerFromHK ("US libs...hypocritical, naive, pompous...if US falls it will be because of these" - Tao Kit (HK))
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To: RWR8189

"All democrats are going to hell..."- Pope Pipeus I..


16 posted on 04/06/2005 11:20:44 PM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: NZerFromHK
What will Turner or people like the NYT journalists regard someone who agrees with them on most issues, but believe in God, and speaks out against abortions, porn, euthansia, and gay rights?

That's why I raise the question of "eccentric" vs "apostate".

I'll save the cooper72 threads until morning, if you don't mind. It's 1:40 AM in Texas...well past my bedtime (Rangers 3, Angels 2 in extra innings, on the coast). Thanks for the alert.

Best.

17 posted on 04/06/2005 11:44:10 PM PDT by okie01 (A slavering moron and proud member of the lynch mob, cleaning the Augean stables of MSM since 1998.)
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To: NZerFromHK

So-called "social justice" is Satan's way of turning empathy to evil purposes.

If it's defined as "justice," it can be enforced. If it's enforced it's not voluntary. And if it ain't voluntary, it don't count, bunky.

Leftist whackos like this one think God wants them to put a gun to people's heads and force them to feed the needy. Or, at least, they pretend to think that. Frankly, I doubt the honesty of any leftist who claims to be a Christian.


18 posted on 04/07/2005 6:55:45 AM PDT by dsc
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To: RWR8189

'rats are going to try to wedge at least some of the Evangs' away from the Republicans but this guy ain't the one to do it.


19 posted on 04/07/2005 6:59:49 AM PDT by Semper Paratus (-)
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To: BackInBlack

Wallis is pro-life like John Kerry is pro-life. He and his wife would never seek an abortion, but for anybody else, abortion on demand. At least thats what Ive gleaned from a very long interview of him I saw. Hes extremely evasive and never said those words but between the lines his position was very clear.


20 posted on 04/08/2005 3:40:30 PM PDT by mthom
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