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(DAY-2) LIVE U.S. SENATE "Nuclear" THREAD: for judicial nominations: C-span 2 - 9:30 am EST
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Posted on 05/18/2005 10:21:08 PM PDT by davidosborne

Text Credit to Ken5050: DAY-1 THREAD

Welcome, all you Freepers, to the continuing C-span soap operas about judicial nominations. "The Guiding SEARCHLIGHT, " "As the SENATE Turns, "One NOMINATION to Live" "GERIATRIC Hospital" (for all you Byrd and Lautenberg fans out there). Follow along with us, as the Dems raise the level of histrionics, bloviation, pontification, and all around bad acting to new highs, er, lows...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government
KEYWORDS: 109th; 8hoursearly; constitutionaloption; democratnukereaction; filibuster; may19th2005; obstructionistdems; reidsnuclearreaction; showdown
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To: Fudd Fan

The Dem convention? I remember the Mighty Mouse story Kerry's daughters told. LOL


3,721 posted on 05/19/2005 10:50:51 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Soul Seeker

Morning Everyone! Who could forget the Mighty Mouse story!
Ready for the Rino hunt!


3,722 posted on 05/20/2005 3:10:33 AM PDT by defconw ( Vote Up or Down on Janice Brown!)
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To: Carolinamom
Somewhere on FR today I read a link saying that insiders in her office said that Collins was furious and slamming doors in the office. ...

It was earlier on this thread.

Post 1833 <--
Post 1833 & replies <--

3,723 posted on 05/20/2005 3:49:27 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Txsleuth; Dad yer funny

nope that wasn't me, 1st I've heard of that...


3,724 posted on 05/20/2005 3:58:20 AM PDT by OXENinFLA ("And that [Atomic] bomb is a filibuster" ~~~ Sen. Lieberman 1-4-95)
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To: Cboldt

I saw that as well! LOL Rino's will learn, get back in the tent or pay the price!


3,725 posted on 05/20/2005 4:01:34 AM PDT by defconw ( Vote Up or Down on Janice Brown!)
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To: Dad yer funny; Txsleuth; OXENinFLA
Txsleuth , was it you or OXEN that posted that bit about Collins having some kinda fit at her office today??

Collins is unhappy <--

3,726 posted on 05/20/2005 4:02:52 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: defconw
I saw that as well! LOL Rino's will learn, get back in the tent or pay the price!

Personally, I think attaching base closures to votes on matters of other principle is just as bad as the vote-trading on nominees. Actually, thinking about it, it's even worse.

And being in Maine, and knowing how important these bases are to the local economy, as a conservative I generally prefer that employment exist at the pleasure of the private sector.

If the military and its support system can be streamlined, and that involves base closures, then them's the breaks. As a taxpayer, I want the military to balance expenditure and might.

Put another way, if we're willing to pay even higher taxes, we could not only keep all these bases open, we could open new bases, one in every town! And give everybody a job!!! Woohooo!! Not ;-)

3,727 posted on 05/20/2005 4:09:37 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

I don't think that the base closures are political in nature, but when somone is appealing one, then I would assume and know that if it was me that I would tend to be more sympathetic towards people who actually vote with me than to those who consistently knife me in the back!

Just the nature of the situation. Costs in Maine for the military may be to high to be practical. It's hard to say. I can't imagine that anyone that is losing a base is happy about it. But someone has to lose. Indiana went to Bush approching 70% and we still lost some bases, but over all did pretty well. So if it were all politics, we should not have lost anything! IMO


3,728 posted on 05/20/2005 4:30:40 AM PDT by defconw ( Vote Up or Down on Janice Brown!)
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To: defconw
Costs in Maine for the military may be to high to be practical. It's hard to say. I can't imagine that anyone that is losing a base is happy about it. But someone has to lose.

The bases made sense, militarily, at some point. Brunswick does anti-submarine patrol off the coast; Loring had B-52's IIRC, Kittery is a nuclear refeuling station. Not a military base, but Bath Iron Works makes all sorts of ships. Cranked out 1 Liberty ship per week during WWII. But times change, and with that comes changing needs. Some capabilities that were essential in the past are felt less important today.

I don't think it is "cost of the location" per se. Maine isn't that expensive. Cheaper than Connecticut, for example. Locating military capability is a complex choice, with lots of variables.

Anyhow, we agree on the principle that politics should be tangential to base decisions, and base decisions should be tangential to unrelated political votes in Congress. Pique and spite are child's tools, not adult's tools.

3,729 posted on 05/20/2005 4:36:13 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

Anyhow, we agree on the principle that politics should be tangential to base decisions, and base decisions should be tangential to unrelated political votes in Congress. Pique and spite are child's tools, not adult's tools.


Yes we do agree on this, I can imagine that everyone was someone disappointed, but the Military has to do what they think is best and everyone of the lawmakers will get a chance to plead their case and if their case is convincing they may get a reprieve. Don Rumsfeld has a big vision plan and I am guessing that details will come out along the way as to why they are trying to close some places and leave others open. I remember in Ohio when they closed Rickenbacher and moved everything to Wright-Patterson, it made sense, but Columbus sure didn't like Dayton getting those jobs. But it happens.


3,730 posted on 05/20/2005 4:43:18 AM PDT by defconw ( Vote Up or Down on Janice Brown!)
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To: defconw
"Indiana went to Bush approching (sic) 70% and we still lost some bases, but over all did pretty well."

We here in SD elected Thune, and Ellsworth Air base in Rapid City is slated to close. FYI, that's out in what we here call West River which votes predominantly conservative!

But I agree with what you wrote about the APPEALS. That will be time for payback or punishment, IMHO.
3,731 posted on 05/20/2005 5:03:44 AM PDT by SolomoninSouthDakota (Daschle is gone.)
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To: SolomoninSouthDakota

But I agree with what you wrote about the APPEALS. That will be time for payback or punishment, IMHO.


I am certain that Rumsfeld and the boys did not vet thier list with the WH, so yes, some will get their bases back on the appeal. I am sure that they have tried to be fair and pracitical. As with everything else, we do not have all the gory details so it's hard to know why.

Also Ms. Snowe, is probably under a lot of pressure, what with all of us yammering at her and other Senators and the leadership and the WH, she probably was just having a bad day! That's why I laugh about them getting so upset that Bolton might have yelled at someone!

LOL, I have worked on campaigns and for Elected officials! If a Elected official can't occasionally blow off steam by yelling at a staffer or two. Who can they yell at? Let's face it, if you are in charge and there is a mistake, what would you do? Pat them on the head or kick their tail? I know I would kick a few tails! LOL


3,732 posted on 05/20/2005 5:19:28 AM PDT by defconw ( Vote Up or Down on Janice Brown!)
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To: All

I might add as well that most elected officals and people in power are overwhelming 'type A' personalities! They are hard charging and passionate, that's how they got where they are. I never took it personally when I got yelled at by my EO's it's part of the job, better he yell at me, then loose it in front of the press or the public.


3,733 posted on 05/20/2005 5:24:23 AM PDT by defconw ( Vote Up or Down on Janice Brown!)
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To: Howlin
I thought the reference was to the Black Caucus or other black Dimocrat lap dogs. Besides, I'm unalterably opposed to compromise on this issue.

I later saw the folks to whom I guess the reference was made. They were a group of very impressive black evangelicals, chief spokesman being a Bishop Harry Jackson.

The man is a powerful, powerful spokesman for conservative values! I just emailed one of my black friends that "I have a new black American hero". ;o)

3,734 posted on 05/20/2005 5:37:19 AM PDT by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: iconoclast

I know you were replying to Howlin, but I also was very impressed by Bishop Jackson and all the people he had with him and I am glad they are on our side!


3,735 posted on 05/20/2005 5:43:34 AM PDT by defconw ( Vote Up or Down on Janice Brown!)
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To: All

We are on a new thread for day three! It's already up to 86 posts, catch the train before it leaves the station!


3,736 posted on 05/20/2005 5:51:00 AM PDT by defconw ( Vote Up or Down on Janice Brown!)
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To: defconw

Ping me with the thread link please!


3,737 posted on 05/20/2005 6:39:08 AM PDT by Truth Table
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To: Sacajaweau
This is an actual vote on a nominee in 1830. The Nominee was Alexander Macomb. I know a little about him so I know why the result is what it is. Nevertheless, it is the perfect example.

That the nomination lie on the table, it was determined in the negative: Yeas, 18, Nays, 19.

I found it. The year was 1828, not 1830. There was a motion to table the nomination, which failed, so the nomination was still before the Senate. The Senate proceeded to vote on the nominee, who was confirmed with a vote of 26 - 12.

http://memory.loc.gov/ll/llej/003/0600/06250617.gif

Executive Proceedings of the Senate - 1828 <- Browsable from here

3,738 posted on 05/25/2005 6:57:38 AM PDT by Cboldt
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