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Archaeologists Find Western World's Oldest Map (500BC)
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 11-18-2005 | Hilary Clarke

Posted on 11/17/2005 5:42:59 PM PST by blam

Archaeologists find western world's oldest map

By Hilary Clarke in Rome
(Filed: 18/11/2005)

The oldest map of anywhere in the western world, dating from about 500 BC, has been unearthed in southern Italy. Known as the Soleto Map, the depiction of Apulia, the heel of Italy's "boot", is on a piece of black-glazed terracotta vase about the size of a postage stamp.

It was found in a dig led by the Belgian archaeologist Thierry van Compernolle, of Montpellier University, two years ago. But its existence was kept secret until more research was carried out.

"The map offers, to date, for the Mediterranean, and more generally for western civilisation, the oldest map of a real space," the university said recently.

Its engraved place names are indicated by points, just as on maps today, and are written in ancient Greek.

The sea on the western side, Taras (Taranto), today's Gulf of Taranto, is named in Greek. But the rest of the map is in Messapian, the ancient tongue of the local tribes, although the script is ancient Greek.

The seas on either side of the peninsula, the Ionian and the Adriatic, are depicted by parallel zig-zag strokes.

Many of the 13 towns marked on the map, such as Otranto, Soleto, Ugento and Leuca (now called Santa Maria di Leuca) still exist.

The map went on public display for the first time this week in the Archaeological National Museum of Taranto.

Apart from being the oldest geographical map from classical antiquity ever found, it is the first material proof that the ancient Greeks were drawing maps of real places before the Romans.

It was known from ancient Greek literature that the concept of a map existed and that some had been drawn but none had been found.

The ancient Chinese had a well-defined system of map-making, but modern cartography descends from techniques laid down by the ancient Greeks.

Most existing classical maps are Roman and date from the period after Christ's birth.

Experts have suggested that the discovery demands not only a reconsideration of the beginnings of ancient cartography, but also of regional history, in particular that of relations between the local population of the Messapian tribes with their neighbours, the Greeks.

The Soleto map also gives vital new clues to the cultural exchange between the newly arrived Greeks and the Messapi.

They lived in the area but probably came originally from Greece as their language is believed to be a dialect of Illyrian.

The Soleto map is a contemporary of the Greek mathematician Pythagoras, who set up a philosophy school in Crotone, now Calabria, on the other side of the Gulf of Taranto.

His hypothesis that the Earth was round, developed after observing that the height of stars was different at different locations and noticing how ships appeared on the horizon, formed the basis of modern map making.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 500; ancestors; apulia; archaeologists; archaeology; bc; epigraphyandlanguage; find; godsgravesglyphs; history; italy; map; oldest; soletomap; western; worlds
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I went looking for a picture of the map and found this. No picture.

New Ancient Map?

1 posted on 11/17/2005 5:43:00 PM PST by blam
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were ox drive cart burning in france then as well

no?

wonder why


2 posted on 11/17/2005 5:43:54 PM PST by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum")
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To: SunkenCiv; RightWhale

GGG Ping.


3 posted on 11/17/2005 5:44:20 PM PST by blam
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To: Flavius

Josephus, you should know why.


4 posted on 11/17/2005 5:45:16 PM PST by johniegrad
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A bit odd to put that much effort (a map and its settings) into something as small as a postage stamp.

500 years BC, and they are decorating postage stamps?


5 posted on 11/17/2005 5:45:28 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (-I contribute to FR monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS supports Hillary's Secular Sexual Socialism every day.)
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To: blam
The Soleto map is a contemporary of the Greek mathematician Pythagoras, who set up a philosophy school in Crotone, now Calabria, on the other side of the Gulf of Taranto.

His hypothesis that the Earth was round, developed after observing that the height of stars was different at different locations and noticing how ships appeared on the horizon, formed the basis of modern map making.

Exaggerated conclusions by the writer. The fact that ONE PERSON figured out part of the puzzle of the round earth didn't everybody (a) either knew about the theory or (b) believed it!

6 posted on 11/17/2005 5:47:55 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (-I contribute to FR monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS supports Hillary's Secular Sexual Socialism every day.)
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To: blam

My wife will admit that if she lived in 400 BC and had access to that map ever since, and was still alive today, she still couldn't read the map.


7 posted on 11/17/2005 5:48:19 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

I bet an alien dropped it...


8 posted on 11/17/2005 5:48:21 PM PST by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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Charles Hapgood: "Ancient Sea Kings"

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0932813429/102-3128249-5688904?v=glance&n=283155&v=glance

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/6396/lightfall051.htm

Worth looking at...


9 posted on 11/17/2005 5:50:01 PM PST by Prost1 (If you fight, fight hard, fight dirty, fight to win!)
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...is on a piece of black-glazed terracotta vase about the size of a postage stamp.

The real genius will be trying to fold it back up.

10 posted on 11/17/2005 5:54:46 PM PST by fat city ("The nation that controls magnetism controls the world.")
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Known as the Soleto Stiletto Map, the depiction of Apulia, the heel of Italy's "boot", is on a piece of black-glazed terracotta vase about the size of a postage stamp.

 

11 posted on 11/17/2005 6:04:55 PM PST by Semi Civil Servant
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To: blam
"Archaeologists Find Western World's Oldest Map (500BC)"

I'll bet it's not folded right

12 posted on 11/17/2005 6:07:44 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

The Ptolemaic system (2nd Century AD) assumes that the earth is a sphere, and that system was widely accepted throughout Europe from ancient times through the middle ages and the Renaissance, until it was replaced by the Copernican system. So I don't know whether peasants knew or cared that the earth was round, but educated people in general did.


13 posted on 11/17/2005 6:09:19 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: blam

I'll bet even back then, the women had to turn it upside down when they were headed south, and the men couldn't refold it properly.


14 posted on 11/17/2005 6:10:01 PM PST by southernnorthcarolina (I've upped my standards! Up yours!)
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Picture (and accompanying article) found here

15 posted on 11/17/2005 6:19:28 PM PST by saquin
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Duh, I didn't notice the link I posted (to the Telegraph) was the same one the thread points to. I guess the picture wasn't up yet when the original poster saw the article.


16 posted on 11/17/2005 6:21:35 PM PST by saquin
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To: blam

later.

my wife's family comes from Apulia.


17 posted on 11/17/2005 6:22:45 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: saquin

Wow, neat, thank you.


18 posted on 11/17/2005 6:24:56 PM PST by Dustbunny (Main Stream Media -- Making 'Max Headroom' a reality.)
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"Charles Hapgood: "Ancient Sea Kings"

Thanks. I'll probably order that book.

20 posted on 11/17/2005 6:39:39 PM PST by blam
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