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The Fight over the Iraq vote and the strange hypocrisy of the American Right regarding Iraq [FR]
OpEdNews.com ^ | December 31, 2005 | Steven Leser

Posted on 01/01/2006 1:56:14 AM PST by Watery Tart

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To: Watery Tart
Oh, my this is CHOICE!

... Then, in a later thread, which might describe insurgents blowing something up in Iraq, they (FReepers) again continue their diatribe that all Muslims and Arabs are animals and should be killed or 'nuked' ... I get the feeling that most Republicans secretly feel this way about Muslims and Arabs.

No secret here, little fella.

Maybe you can explain to me why one BILLION Muslims can't (or won't) control a few thousand terrorists/"insurgents"?

His problem is typical with libs/'Rats: 9/10 thinking in a 9/11 world. And he knows nothing of Islam.

81 posted on 01/01/2006 8:10:34 AM PST by manwiththehands (My wish for the new year: I wish Republicans were running the country.)
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To: Darksheare

"It seems that in his haste to get his story by trolling and leaving quickly, he forgot to note that everyone here has their own opinions and not everyone advocates nuking all Muslims."

You got it exactly right. There's great diversity of opinion here, as there is across America. The writer saw and reported what he wanted to see here; he lacked the integrity to report that that didn't support his view.

I think nearly all Freepers would agree that when our soldiers risked (and sometimes gave) their lives to liberate Iraq's 25 million, they certainly did not do it out of hatred and bigotry. There are leftists who seem to think they did. That is paranoid and hateful beyond understanding.


82 posted on 01/01/2006 8:17:43 AM PST by solzhenitsyn ("Live Not By Lies")
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To: Watery Tart
I feel slighted that my favorites were left out. It seems the author couldn't figure out how to link to an individual post:


83 posted on 01/01/2006 8:19:13 AM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: libertylover

That's a great quiz. Puts Islam right where it belongs.


84 posted on 01/01/2006 8:20:22 AM PST by manwiththehands (My wish for the new year: I wish Republicans were running the country.)
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To: NutCrackerBoy
"I don't like "nuke mecca" posts. Period, full stop ..."

I've said that on numerous threads - even on this one. Not "nuke mecca" but "nuke 'em" - type stuff. For that I apologize. It's said in (mostly) jest but it could easily be construed by a left-wing pacifist to be a call to nuclear war. It's a little over the top.

I don't think any of us take it seriously, but I'll be more careful. Besides, I've always known that cooler (and smarter) heads prevail in Bush's administration.

85 posted on 01/01/2006 8:27:37 AM PST by manwiththehands (My wish for the new year: I wish Republicans were running the country.)
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To: Watery Tart
Authors Bio: Steven Leser is a freelance journalist specializing in Politics, Science & Health, and Entertainment topics. He has held positions within the Democratic Party including District Chair and Public Relations Chair within county organizations. His coverage of the Ohio Presidential Recount in 2004 was distinguished by actual interviews with Carlo Loparo, spokesperson for the Ohio Secretary of State, along with Supervisors of Elections of several Ohio counties. Similar efforts on other topics to get first hand information from sources separate Mr. Leser from many of his contemporaries.

Wow! What gravitas! Look at those credentials. What a lightweight this twit makes himself look like. His writing is less than compelling, coming across no better than a bitter Whoopie Goldberg in a diatribe at some awards presentation or some little mealy-mouthed neo-leftist student ranting on about topics with little to no understanding or persuasive conviction.

A true liberal phony...

86 posted on 01/01/2006 8:32:57 AM PST by 101st-Eagle
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To: Watery Tart
Hey, WT..Happy New Year

Here's one for the collection


87 posted on 01/01/2006 9:51:02 AM PST by concretebob (Which part of "National Security" does the press find confusing?)
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To: Watery Tart
ZOT to Steven Leser. Sounds like he writes all the troll talking points.

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88 posted on 01/01/2006 10:21:46 AM PST by Delta 21 (MKC USCG-ret)
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To: Watery Tart
Where does this leave us? The Freepers (as they like to call themselves) over at Free Republic deserve credit for some of the wackiest and creepiest (nuke all the people in over several dozen countries? Hello? Any humans on that site?) hypocrisy in history.

Something tells me that our new year is off to a good start. Let's just hope this trend continues because I always have fun reading this stuff.

89 posted on 01/01/2006 2:01:39 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Cvengr; Victoria Delsoul
Happy New Year, Victoria!

Here's a wise observation from Cvengr that bears repeating.

The only difference is that he attacks others for attacking Islam, while he applies the same method he hates against conservatives.

90 posted on 01/01/2006 2:25:52 PM PST by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1346573/posts)
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To: patriciaruth
Wise observation, indeed.

Happy New Year to you as well, Patricia.

91 posted on 01/01/2006 2:31:11 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Watery Tart
Liberals don't like free elections anywhere or for that matter freedom. They want everyone regimented in accordance with their vision of the perfect society. Oh and speaking of hypocrisy, its the Left that's celebrated the totalitarian insurgents in Iraq as the equivalent of our Patriotic Minutemen. Now who's being the hypocrite here? On fundamental matters, we Freepers agree freedom is a gift from God. Our opponents like this professor, agree its all Bush's fault. No wonder they keep losing and this coming November, I'm sure, will be no different.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

92 posted on 01/01/2006 2:40:18 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: GodBlessRonaldReagan
I mistook him for a professor. Hard to see though there's much difference between the two. Leser, like our universities' learned, Leser is absolutely convinced conservatives are evil and he is morally superior to them. How can you love these folks?

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

93 posted on 01/01/2006 2:44:10 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Watery Tart

let's see. He goes from a few cases of anti-Islamic statements on FR to ...

" In any case, the Republican electorate is virulently anti-Islam and that is a shame. "

Wow, what a lack of logic and evidence!
I'd like to see some polling. I doubt there would be much difference between the parties frankly.

I dont consider myself 'anti-Islamic'. I too know some wonderful people who are Muslim. That doesnt mean I'm blind to the TROP(tm)'s flaws and the extremist clerics who are fomenting terrorism. I *also* know, having read the histories of Muhammed, that calling him a brigand and polygamist is merely being historically accurate. Pedophile? Well, he married a 9-year-old among his 9 wives.
Go figure. Not every Muslim should be measured by that 7th century man's lifestyle, but Islam was shaped by how he lived, and it wasnt the life of a Jesus or a Buddha.

I also think Democracy in Iraq is a wonderful thing, and support the President's policies which have liberated Iraq.
See:
http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/

"Democratic elections aren't going to turn out to be a good thing here and the Sunnis and Kurds know it. That is why they are protesting these elections tooth and nail. All the protesting and new elections, if they are able to attain them, will not help Sunnis and Kurds overcome the massive Shiite majority in the country."

It's bad enough that he thinks democracy is a BAD THING, but he shows his ignorance here. The Kurds are *happy* with the Dec 15 result. The main Kurdish parties got a solid 50 seats, and that gives them good bargaining position.
Further The Shiite main bloc, the UIA, did *not* appear to get a majority. That is key, because it means that Iraq will have either a Shiite-Kurd alliance or a "national unity government" of all the players.

This DUmmy is right on one thing only: There are unfortunate expressions of anti-muslim/arab sentiment of the 'kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out' variety. I've argued against these sentiments too much and i've noticed that it comes from the 'paleocon' types who DONT WANT US IN IRAQ.

The way I look at it, the liberals think America is not good enough to intervene, the paleocons think the world is not good enough to deserve American blood or teasure.
But some of us patriots think America can and is doing the world good in supporting democracy, and the outcome will be a good thing for us and for the world.


95 posted on 01/01/2006 9:37:27 PM PST by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/)
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To: sargon

"hysterical exaggeration #1"

What's funny is how he claims FR types are doing it about Muslims - actually minions of
Bin Laden, supporters of Hamas and other thuggish communities, but this guy is doing it about ....

Republicans!

oooh, what a dangerous sect these GOPers are.


"Most practitioners of Islam that I have had the pleasure to know are wonderful, law abiding and hard working people."

Would he ever admit out loud that ...

"Most Republicans that I have had the pleasure to know are wonderful, law abiding and hard working people."

... or does he try to avoid contact with those types entirely?


96 posted on 01/01/2006 9:45:15 PM PST by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/)
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To: Watery Tart

When Iran throws off the mad mullahs this year, some Iraqi Shiites are gonna have some uncomfortable moments...


97 posted on 01/01/2006 9:49:40 PM PST by Philistone (Turning lead into gold...)
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To: NutCrackerBoy

"I don't like "nuke mecca" posts. Period, full stop. "

I dont either. Even after a terrorist attack and tempers are up. If it's wrong, and nothing is more wrong than wanting thousands of civilians killed, then dont even say it. Even in jest.


98 posted on 01/01/2006 9:50:54 PM PST by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/)
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To: manwiththehands

"For that I apologize. It's said in (mostly) jest but it could easily be construed by a left-wing pacifist to be a call to nuclear war. It's a little over the top."

TAKE NOTE: LIBERALS USE "JOKES" LIKE THIS TO TAG THIS AS A HATE SITE. DONT GIVE THEM THE AMMO.

FR rules say: "NO racism or violence in posts." Consider

"I don't think any of us take it seriously, but I'll be more careful."

Good plan. In the 2004 campaign, Jerome Corsi was uncovered as an FR poster and some of his 'jokes' were twisted into getting him labelled as anti-gay, anti-Muslim, etc. etc.
Just dont do it.


99 posted on 01/01/2006 9:55:35 PM PST by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/)
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To: Watery Tart
Betty Dawisha says video
100 posted on 01/01/2006 10:04:35 PM PST by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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