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Barry Bonds sings "Undetectable"
Balco de Mayo | Charlie Henrickson, the wag tailoring the doggerel

Posted on 05/08/2006 9:13:33 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson

UNDETECTABLE
Tune: "Unforgettable"
As sung by Barry "U.S.D.A." Bonds

Undetectable, the cream, the clear
Some injectable, right in my rear
Like a shot of stuff for human growth
Do one cheek, then go and do 'em both
Never before
Have steroids been more

Undetectable in every way
Unconnectible, that's how I'll stay
Look at me, see the incredible
Bulk I've gained but not by edible
Means I gained it from some spreadable goo

Unregrettable, well worth the risk
Record-settable, no asterisk
Chasing Aaron, catching up to Ruth
Couldn't care less if I tell the truth
What matters more
Is home runs galore

Undetectable each time I pee
Random-testable, you won't catch me
As for me, it's incontestable
What this does is so incredible:
Swells my head and shrinks my testicles too


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KEYWORDS: asterisk; baseball; bonds; chat; mlb; undetectable; vanity; wottabum
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To: Primetimedonna
By not setting proper parameters of acceptable behaviour and having guidelines he has shirked his duty.

Bonds was just a babe in the woods who didn't know what was right or wrong.

141 posted on 05/08/2006 1:33:57 PM PDT by Petronski (I just love that woman.)
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To: teawithmisswilliams

I did see that this morning, that he did not feel he would surpass Aaron; I did not see where he thought it was great because Ruth was white; if Willie Mays was in second Bonds would still go after it.


142 posted on 05/08/2006 1:34:21 PM PDT by SF Republican
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To: Primetimedonna
The enhancers don't explain the quick wrists, the pitch selection and the awesome swing.

They do after he was clearly on the downside of his career, which was apparent in the '98 and '99 season. Barroid has used a bunch of chemical crap to fight what gets all of the great ones eventually; age. Bat speed and legs go fast among athletes once the hit 35 - 40 (depending on conditioning).

They may have helped him swing a bit harder, and hit the ball a bit farther, but they didn't make him a star. He was already a star before any charges were made, and there was any accusation of steroid use.

And that is the sad thing -- he was a lock for the HoF had his career followed times natural course and fizzled out sometime in the 2000-2002 season. Now, he is facing the real possibility that the wonderful 5 tool player he was for most of a 15 year career will be nullified by the other-wordly, artificial prolonging and yes, enhancing of his time in what should have been the sunset of his MLB career.

Having said that, it is probably good that he was not so obviously juiced playing back in the 60's or 70's. The game I grew up watching was very much self-regulated--had Barroid been playing in that era, putting up the numbers he did in 2001-2004, he probably would have gotten his walks alright, but he would have hit dirt four times for each walk. And probably gotten drilled badly many times during the season by guys like Catfish Hunter, Bob Gibson, Don Sutton, and Nolan Ryan.

I would'nt mind seeing some "self-regulation" come back to MLB, but that would mean getting rid of the DH, of course.

143 posted on 05/08/2006 1:37:10 PM PDT by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat)
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To: teawithmisswilliams
Bonds has stated he has no intention of trying to pass Hank Aaron, because Aaron is black. He views it as a great thing to beat Ruth (however fraudulently) because Ruth was white.

Is this a serious paraphrasing of his intentions? Racist comment, indeed.

144 posted on 05/08/2006 1:41:24 PM PDT by Ruth A. (we might as well fight in the first ditch as the last)
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To: Petronski

Ah, I see. It's not word twisting you like to do, it's selective reading. If you read my post again, perhaps you'll notice the lines:

"No, he did not force McGwire, Sosa, Canseco, Bonds, Palmeiro or a myriad of others to try to enhance themselves. But he did allow a culture and climate to exist that looked the other way. He bears much responsibility for that."

What part of that justifies your sarcastic post:

"Bonds was just a babe in the woods who didn't know what was right or wrong."

Nothing I have posted when I say Selig bears responsibility has excused any of the players. It is just another facet to the argument. Sorry if you do not wish to acknowledge that.

Now, it would appear you and I are wasting each other's time. I have other things to do, and I'm sure you do as well. Been interesting chatting with you.


145 posted on 05/08/2006 1:41:56 PM PDT by Primetimedonna (Charter member of the San Francisco SnowFlakes! We love our Tony! It's SAN FRANCISCO, not Frisco.)
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To: Primetimedonna

Honor is doing the right thing when nobody is watching. None of those men behaved honorably in this matter, and Selig has nothing to do with it.


147 posted on 05/08/2006 1:51:19 PM PDT by Petronski (I just love that woman.)
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To: Charles Henrickson
Well, MLB ought to ban any substance except what was legal in the 20's when Ruth was playing. SO that would leave what, aspirin and alcohol and coffee.

No Motrin, Aleve, or other NSAIDS - non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs. And no cortisone shots (another steroid derivative). Anyone who used "Red Juice" or "Greenies" - asterisks after their records. Well, there goes half the players of the last 50 years.

148 posted on 05/08/2006 1:56:45 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: L.N. Smithee

L.N.

YOu are in denial if you think Bonds is clean. Sorry, but your SKULL doesn't change shape by hitting the gym... MLB is corrupted and not doing a damned thing about this issue.

Sorry, in 1 year in your 30s you don't go from what he looked like to what he looks like now... you don't lose all your hair and have your SKULL change shape by lifting weights.

Bonds doped, Sosa Doped, etc etc etc Doped.... MLB knew about it and did nothing about it... and continues to do nothing about it... You can continue the nonsense that Bonds got where he is clean, but you are just in denial if you believe that.


149 posted on 05/08/2006 1:59:23 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Petronski

I agree with you regarding honor, but unfortunately, in the real world, as in the baseball world, there is far too little of that Remember, these are grown men playing a game for a living. I'm sure there are a very high percentage of those acting like kids seeing what they can get away with. Is that right, no. Should Selig have acted as others in other sports acted, yes. Should Bonds bear the brunt of all that is wrong with Baseball, I don't think so. Does it make me want to put him on a pedastal, no. But there needs to be some proportionality in the situation.

A black and white world would be nice, but unfortunately most of life happens in the grey. Should we try to change things when we can, yes. Can we change all things, no.


150 posted on 05/08/2006 2:07:08 PM PDT by Primetimedonna (Charter member of the San Francisco SnowFlakes! We love our Tony! It's SAN FRANCISCO, not Frisco.)
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To: Primetimedonna
Should Bonds bear the brunt of all that is wrong with Baseball . . .

He's not. It's a ludicrous strawman.

151 posted on 05/08/2006 2:09:24 PM PDT by Petronski (I just love that woman.)
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To: Primetimedonna; Petronski
I still stand behind my argument that Selig and Baseball management are to blame for not taking a stand, and allowing an atmosphere to develop where an opening was left to find enhancers that weren't covered in standard tests. Now, instead of taking the blame, they're more than happy to throw Bonds to the wolves.

As I wrote in another forum in March:


[T]here is plenty of blame to go around. Bonds didn't happen overnight. Bonds wouldn't have been possible without McGwire, and McGwire wouldn't have been possible without Canseco, and Canseco wouldn't have been possible without the MLB[Players' Association]'s ridiculous fear (pun intended) that 'roid testing might lead to testing for recreational drugs (hello, Darryl Kile), and the list of reasons goes on and on.

152 posted on 05/08/2006 2:09:55 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee
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To: L.N. Smithee

Exactly, but many on these threads would rather put all the blame on Bonds for all that's wrong with the game. He has plenty of company in any "wrongdoing" but it appears many want to blame him for everything.

I tell you, just mention the name Barry Bonds, and any thread turns into a DU imitation. Too bad all of that energy can't be directed towards something worthwhile.


153 posted on 05/08/2006 2:16:21 PM PDT by Primetimedonna (Charter member of the San Francisco SnowFlakes! We love our Tony! It's SAN FRANCISCO, not Frisco.)
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To: HamiltonJay

How true. The times Ruth hit those homers was so different it's hard to compare the feat at all. Having more homers than other teams is just amazing.

But there's a new home run king... and his name is Henry Aaron.

No one gets to touch Hank.


154 posted on 05/08/2006 2:47:40 PM PDT by romanesq (.)
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To: HamiltonJay
YOu are in denial if you think Bonds is clean... You can continue the nonsense that Bonds got where he is clean, but you are just in denial if you believe that.

First of all, stop sputtering.

I don't think Bonds NEVER used steroids. I don't think he's using them NOW. Not even the authors of Game of Shadows suggest that he's on enhancers NOW. And because he's not doing them NOW, I have no problem NOW with his continuing to play to become the #2 homer hitter of all time. All that will change if, like Rafael Palmeiro, he tests dirty.

There is no doubt in my mind that all three of the top single season homer performers were on the juice at the time: Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa (who used an illegal bat on top of that). Before the Sports Illustrated article came out with the allegations, I opined on the record that jealousy of the McGwire-Sosa duel that captivated America led Bonds to start juicing.

What baseball know-nothings suggest is that Bonds' excellence as a hitter is due only to drug use, or that his eligibility for the Hall of Fame should be questioned. As I wrote in another forum:


[T]ake a close look at Bonds' stellar production before and especially after the otherworldly 72 HR 2001 season. He hit 40 or more long balls three times in the 90's (46 in '93, 42 in '96, 40 in '97); in 1998, the year of the great McGwire-Sosa duel, when Mac hit 70 and Sammy hit 66, Bonds hit 37.

After the six dozen homer season of 2001, he dropped off by 27 dingers, bashing 46 in 2002. Then testing began in 2003. How much further did Barry drop off? Only by one HR, hitting 45 in 2003. Yeah, but what about the next year, 2004, his second under mandatory and random testing? 45 HRs again.

The only thing that stopped him from picking up that pace in the 2005 campaign was his ailing knee, and once he felt well enough to swing, run, and stand on it, he hit 5 over the fences in 42 at bats, one per 8.4 official plate appearances, an improvement over his full season of 2004 (1 HR per 8.29).

Barry Bonds used steroids, true. But unlike most (if not all) other confessed and alleged users, even if you take away all the seasons he is suspected of doing so, he is still one of the best hitters of all time and a first-ballot Hall of Famer.


Would I feel differently about Bonds if I were not a diehard Giants fan? I suppose it's possible, but even if he was a Dodger, I wouldn't join in the knee-jerk chorus of ignoramii who suggest walking him rather than pitching to him every time or wiping his statistics from the pages of history.
155 posted on 05/08/2006 2:51:42 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee
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To: thinkthenpost

According to Barry's mistress, envy and the attention of the home run race was a big motivator for him to juice up.

I met a sports reporter for the Giants in 1994 at a Dodger game. In the fifth inning he said to me, looks like you and I are the only ones not rooting for the Dodgers.

Then he told me he was there from San Francisco and all about Barry.
The guy is an example of what you don't want in a sports legend.

No one can really change that. The guy has a track record (pardon the pun).


156 posted on 05/08/2006 2:55:16 PM PDT by romanesq (.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Bob Gibson said if steroids were around in his time and players were doing it, he wouldn't rule it out.

The only thing he was drooling about was to get the pitching mound back to where it was before they changed it because he was too successful.

Only time I've heard about the rules changing to give the other players a better chance because one player was too dominant.

Bob Gibson is just flat out greatness. His best comment on Bonds and his armor, "I think I could have broke it."

Awesome.


157 posted on 05/08/2006 2:57:47 PM PDT by romanesq (.)
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To: L.N. Smithee

Agreed, Barry is not on steroids now.
He's on undetectable human growth hormones.


158 posted on 05/08/2006 2:59:17 PM PDT by romanesq (.)
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To: Crispus Attucks Patriot
And ANY pitcher who gives him anything close to being hittable should immediately be sent to class-A ball.

No doubt.

159 posted on 05/08/2006 4:17:56 PM PDT by A message
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To: TravisBickle
And so the Red Sox have Ted Williams; the Pirates have Clemente; and the Dodgers' Sandy Koufax. Winners all. And San Francisco will always have Montana.

ba-doom-CHING!!!

160 posted on 05/08/2006 4:27:01 PM PDT by A message
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