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1 posted on 03/03/2007 1:56:17 PM PST by STARWISE
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2 posted on 03/03/2007 1:57:20 PM PST by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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In my mind, if you need "clarification of the term 'reasonable doubt'", thats reasonable doubt.


3 posted on 03/03/2007 1:59:34 PM PST by John W
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David Corn seems to be thrilled at the thought of a conviction, even more than the others in the media. What is his involvement in this case, I can't seem to recall.


4 posted on 03/03/2007 1:59:56 PM PST by BonnieJ
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I have learned not to depend on speculation, once I am convinced of one thing the opposite happens.
5 posted on 03/03/2007 2:00:04 PM PST by boomop1 (there you go again)
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Wisenberg said the government is not required to prove guilt with 100% certainty.

No, they have to prove guilt wihtout a reasonable doubt.

It could be reasonable if there is a 5% chance he is telling the truth.

6 posted on 03/03/2007 2:00:22 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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I'd love to be on that jury. It could be ten or eleven other people vs. just me and I'd sit there and laugh at them.


7 posted on 03/03/2007 2:00:34 PM PST by rickdylan
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spork-ulation


8 posted on 03/03/2007 2:00:39 PM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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"Wisenberg said the government is not required to prove guilt with 100% certainty."

Is this true or is this Clintoonesque, parsed lawyerspeak?


9 posted on 03/03/2007 2:00:50 PM PST by Roccus (They're living in the Dark Ages and they act like they own the world. [Dmitri Gredenko])
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Just curious, but is it proper for the judge to tell the msm what the jury asks him during deliberations?


10 posted on 03/03/2007 2:03:55 PM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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The jury also asked Walton if all of Libby's grand jury testimony has to be examined to find him guilty of obstructing justice.

Could somebody 'splain what this is likely to mean?

The only interpretation I can make of it is that there's at least one holdout who insists on going through eight hours of testimony (again) if he's going to even entertain voting for a guilty verdict.

15 posted on 03/03/2007 2:06:20 PM PST by shhrubbery! (Max Boot: Joe Wilson has sold more whoppers than Burger King)
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Don't worry everyone! No matter whether Libby is found guilty or not, one thing is clear. It will be THE END OF BUSHITLERAMERIKKKA!!!!1111 either way. DU told me.


17 posted on 03/03/2007 2:07:46 PM PST by Democratshavenobrains
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Hinting at deadlock? What was the crime?


21 posted on 03/03/2007 2:13:35 PM PST by yoe
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Must be about 9 or 10 moonbats on the jury and one or two reasonable people. What reasonable person would convict someone of not remembering unimportant and irrelevant facts. Make someone do hard time for a faulty memory, This is insane.


24 posted on 03/03/2007 2:20:45 PM PST by Always Right
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I would be kicked off that jury for sure.

I could not keep myself from coming home at night or weekend and searching this forum for information on the case.


34 posted on 03/03/2007 2:54:00 PM PST by Mr. Brightside
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It is a fact beyond doubt that the ability to recall every event that happens to a person is not a normal human ability. It would be impossible for a prosecutor to prove otherwise.


35 posted on 03/03/2007 2:58:51 PM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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So, if this is deadlocked, will the Government bring this dog's breakfast of a case to trial yet again?


43 posted on 03/03/2007 4:01:40 PM PST by gridlock (Isn't it peculiar that no matter what the problem, the government's solution is always "more taxes")
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Notes from the jury deliberating the fate of ex-White House aide Lewis (Scooter) Libby gave a hint there might be one or two holdouts on a conviction.

Sounds to me like one or two jurors can't understand what "reasonable doubt" means and are holding out for conviction, while the rest of the jurors want to just throw the whole disgraceful mess out and go home.

49 posted on 03/03/2007 4:25:29 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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...it is not humanly possible for someone not to recall an event ...

The main accuser, Big Tim Russert can't remember when he stepped on Little Tim and forgot he chewed out a reporter TWICE over the phone and then had to submit a very embarassing letter of retraction in his hometown newspaper.

You would think he'd remember that....

Yet Tim Russert is now the Pope, infalible and his poor memory is beyond all reasonable doubt.

50 posted on 03/03/2007 4:40:27 PM PST by Doctor Raoul (What's the difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic? The Free Clinic knows how to stop leaks.)
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Wow, this article reiterates pretty much everything I've said about this case from day 2.

I think the jury foreman (foreperson?) is a BSD sufferer who is giving it their all to get a conviction. Let's see who can hold out the longest.


51 posted on 03/03/2007 4:43:37 PM PST by GOP_Muzik (If all the world's a stage then I want different lighting)
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lah dee dah dah

"If a single juror balks at convicting Libby, who is accused of lying to investigators probing who leaked CIA spy Valerie Plame's identity, the judge will declare a mistrial and prosecutors could retry him."

Put it another way, reporter Meeks: If a single juror balks at finding Libby innocent"......

I mean, if Meeks is going to play guessing games, he should give his readers both, plucked from thin air, scenarios.

53 posted on 03/03/2007 4:49:49 PM PST by YaYa123
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