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The Self Esteem Myth
Townhall ^ | August 9, 2007 | Ashley Herzog

Posted on 08/13/2007 5:02:18 AM PDT by Caleb1411

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To: Tax-chick

A lot of Lewis’s ideas are quite Orthodox—the soteriology of “The Great Divorce” and a lot of the theological hints dropped in the Narnia series are very non-Western. I know Lewis had a close Orthodox friend (whose name escapes me), was very fond of the Orthodox liturgy (remarking that it was better than anything in the West, and apparently considered conversion, but, living at a time whan Orthodox-Anglican union was still a seemingly live issue, never took the step. Indeed, some Orthodox jokingly speak of ‘our father among the saints Clive Staples Lewis’ even though he remained an Anglican all his life.


21 posted on 08/13/2007 5:40:18 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: MarDav
“What these idiots don’t realize is that both self respect AND self esteem need to be earned...”

You beat me.

That helps my self esteem!

Mark

22 posted on 08/13/2007 5:41:26 AM PDT by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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To: Lil'freeper

In my experience they either shape the frack up or they get fired real quick. Kids aren’t quite as bad as the article makes them out to be by in large, they learn fast that what they learned in school in that regard is worthless or they don’t make money.


23 posted on 08/13/2007 5:43:57 AM PDT by utherdoul
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To: ClaireSolt
When 15,000 people show up for American Idol tryouts, you know that their self images are out of whack.

America Idol highlights not on the very talented, but the very untalented, esp. if they display a distinctive quirkiness. Many are hoping to get their 15 mins. of fame from just plain being weird and many succeed.

24 posted on 08/13/2007 5:47:18 AM PDT by randita
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To: Mr. Jeeves
The author is confusing self-esteem with ego.

An easy mistake to make, IMHO. In fact, if it's a mistake I'm still making it.

What's the difference, then, between "esteeming yourself" and being egotistical?

25 posted on 08/13/2007 5:48:08 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Caleb1411
The two groups with the highest self esteem are mass murderers and gang members.

-Walter Williams-

26 posted on 08/13/2007 5:49:29 AM PDT by frithguild (The Freepers moved as a group, like a school of sharks sweeping toward an unaware and unarmed victim)
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To: MarkL

Perfect then. My job is finished here and you may pass on to the next grade-level!


27 posted on 08/13/2007 5:50:51 AM PDT by MarDav
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28 posted on 08/13/2007 5:53:00 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: utherdoul

Some kids can see through the ruse of current feel-good education and actually demand of themselves and their teachers something more. But there are far too many that come to high school having been told they are making progress when, in fact, they have not (or have not made enough significant progress.) Far too often, the result is a child with a warped sense of both expectation and accomplishment. Said student will not work/learn but expects to be passed with his minimal efforts.


29 posted on 08/13/2007 5:56:50 AM PDT by MarDav
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To: MarDav
You beat me.

Now, now, you mustn't use such harsh language on yourself.

Think of MarkL as having a chronological advantage, simply because he started reading the thread earlier than you (while you were visiting another thread, perhaps).

I'm sure that your comments preceded his on other occasions. It doesn't mean that you're less of a Freeper.

Excuse me while I go hurl.

30 posted on 08/13/2007 5:58:21 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Oberon
What's the difference, then, between "esteeming yourself" and being egotistical?

Self-esteem is a good opinion of yourself backed up by genuine accomplishment. It is essential to success in any facet of life.

Egotism is an inflated opinion of yourself, usually based on nothing more than never having run into a situation where your abilities or opinions are subjected to a critical review by others. It's what makes the American Idol tryouts are so amusing.

Big Religion likes to confuse the two concepts, because people who develop genuine self-esteem no longer have much use for it.

31 posted on 08/13/2007 5:58:55 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Self-esteem is a good opinion of yourself backed up by genuine accomplishment. It is essential to success in any facet of life.

I believe this is the working definition used earlier in this thread for the term "self-respect."

I think the difference lies in deciding exactly what we intend the term "self-esteem" to mean. As I see it used by the education establishment, it appears to mean something different than your definition...in fact, it appears synonymous with "ego," because that is what the local public schools are achieving.

32 posted on 08/13/2007 6:04:35 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Hold up! Hold up! I got about 3 or 4 comments posted and he only has 2. I should get a higher grade on this assignment! Huh? So, what if I just repeated what he said, I tried, didn’t I? Tryin’s good, ain’t it? (*) Well, it’s good enough for me.

* At this point, I usually tell my students the story about the drowning swimmer “trying” to get to the life preserver. He can paddle and flail away all day long, use massive amounts of energy in doing so, but, if he does not make it to the life preserver, what happens to him?

So much for just trying.


33 posted on 08/13/2007 6:05:19 AM PDT by MarDav
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To: Caleb1411

“kids should be ‘independent spellers’ so they can be treated as ‘individuals.’”

The over paid socialists squatting behind a desk at the front of classrooms in the schools near you know full well the curriculum they teach results in annual advancement of unqualified students.

Such students are therefore guaranteed to fail the next year due to gross lack of mastery of basic facts of the previous year’s curriculum.

I suggest these socialist bachelor’s children be sued for improper enrichment.

Educators are a class well deserving of being sued.

Educators are also a class with substantial assets, well worth being sued.

Calling all conservative lawyers! Calling all concervative lawyers!


34 posted on 08/13/2007 6:07:35 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: ClaireSolt
When 15,000 people show up for American Idol tryouts, you know that their self images are out of whack.

And that's just ONE city.

This is the same "feel-good" crap that gives us 10 valedictorians in any given HS graduating class, or the fact that 9 out of 10 Harvard grads today graduate with some form of "honors". Puh-leez.
35 posted on 08/13/2007 6:08:03 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: Caleb1411

I think self esteem and self confidence are being used interchangeably way too much. People, especially young people and children, need to learn to acquire the confidence to perform outside their comfort zones, but also learn that when they inevitably screw up when going outside their comfort zone, that they will be held accountable, but retain the confidence to try again until they get it right.


36 posted on 08/13/2007 6:11:17 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: OCCASparky

Kids can now come out of school with a GPA higher than 4.0 because of weighting of Honors and AP classes. I attended a high school graduation last year and the valedictorian had a GPA of something like 5.65. I’m not sure when this bloating of GPA’s took place, but I don’t recall it when I was graduating in ‘75.


37 posted on 08/13/2007 6:12:34 AM PDT by MarDav
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“My grammar is also not well, either!”

My sympathies to her. Suggest two aspirin and a nap.

;-)


38 posted on 08/13/2007 6:12:45 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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39 posted on 08/13/2007 6:13:57 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: The_Reader_David

Amen to you, David. It certainly is a vice. And look at the fruits.


40 posted on 08/13/2007 6:14:09 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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